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Old 02-27-2015, 08:45 AM   #57
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With these foundational elements (sub-frame inserts or full bushes and radius / tension inserts or bushes) in place your Camaro is ready for the final tuning element. Pedders Solution A 27mm front bar will reduce body lean and roll resulting in a more enjoyable drive for the vast majority of Camaro drivers. We call Solution A the Daily Driver. Driving down the highway and moderately sport speed turns there is less body lean and roll. Driven past 7/10s there is a noticeable increase in understeer. For the many Camaro owners upgrading the front bar with radius and sub-frame bush inserts are the ONLY modifications they will ever need or want.

For the more sporting Camaro driver a set of 27mm front and 32mm rear bars are the solution. This is our updated Solution B. Solution B creates a well balanced 5th Gen with a bias to oversteer. With the front bar set to full soft and the rear bar set to full hard your 5th Gen is track ready. You wanted oversteer. You got it now. In the rain, cold weather and snow these sway bar settings create a very loose car and must be driven with caution. Respect it. If your driving skills are not NASA or SCCA levels, tone the bars down. Set the front bar to full hard and the rear bar to full soft. As you grow comfortable with the new balance of your Camaro move the front bar a hole to the soft side. That is the beauty of Solution B. Solution B puts you in control of your setup from well balanced daily driver to track ready. I read THE BOOK.
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Heh, fair enough. I was a little tired while writing that, re-reading it now is kind of embarrassing. But I get what you're saying about it being zero sum. I suppose I was likening it too much to my R/C touring car racing days. Lots of similarities, but still not exactly the same. Anyway, thanks for the reply. Much appreciated.
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Old 03-30-2015, 04:15 PM   #58
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Howdy. I spy some Solution B bars. Actually, I don't. Help me get bars! haha.
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Old 06-15-2015, 12:06 PM   #59
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ZL1/1LE rear sway bar in the rear with a SS front sway is a nicely balanced street setup for SS camaro! Thanks Pete
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Old 06-15-2015, 05:35 PM   #60
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ZL1/1LE rear sway bar in the rear with a SS front sway is a nicely balanced street setup for SS camaro! Thanks Pete
My pleasure.

FYI -- The JPSS Adjustable 27mm front and 32mm rear bars are now in stock.
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Old 08-06-2015, 01:28 PM   #61
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Hey pete I'm interested in your z/28 light kit for my 14 v6 I noticed your kit comes with a lot of oem gm parts as well as some of your products. I was wondering for sways if I added your blak magic sways to the package if it would perform even better?
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Old 08-06-2015, 08:36 PM   #62
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Hey pete I'm interested in your z/28 light kit for my 14 v6 I noticed your kit comes with a lot of oem gm parts as well as some of your products. I was wondering for sways if I added your blak magic sways to the package if it would perform even better?
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Old 08-25-2015, 09:04 PM   #63
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My pleasure.

FYI -- The JPSS Adjustable 27mm front and 32mm rear bars are now in stock.
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Old 08-26-2015, 12:36 PM   #64
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September, Pete, September.
Kick back.

I wonder what brand...
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Old 08-31-2015, 09:52 AM   #65
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Maybe JPSS. Maybe.
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Old 06-20-2016, 10:14 PM   #66
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How does this platform react to Big Bar Soft Spring vs Medium Bar Medium Spring or Soft Bar Heavy Spring? I'm wondering specifically for auto-x and road race. Is the same setup good for both?

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Old 06-20-2016, 10:24 PM   #67
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How does this platform react to Big Bar Soft Spring vs Medium Bar Medium Spring or Soft Bar Heavy Spring? I'm wondering specifically for auto-x and road race. Is the same setup good for both?

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In gneral, the Z/28 is as close as you get to a soft bar big spring setup, but with DSSV firm dampers and the bars are not that small.

DSE is an advocate of that style and even on a very light 5th Gen we built, lighter than a C7 Z06 we had to double the front spring rate on the DSE / JRI front coilovers nd add 100 pounds to the rear.

What is the setup on your Camaro?
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Old 06-20-2016, 11:21 PM   #68
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It currently has an Afco street Kit on it but I don't know the rates. The sway bars are big.

I'm an oval track guy so I like all this stuff. Just don't know much about the platform.
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Old 06-26-2016, 11:12 PM   #69
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Hey Pete, I've been running the good old Permagrin package for 3 years now and still love it. I just picked up the Z/28 DSSV dampers from another forum member. Should I keep using the 32mm/27mm sway bars I have, or do you have something else for me? Also, I run 18x10's with r7's or Continental slicks.

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Old 07-26-2016, 05:56 PM   #70
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I have been hesitant to reply due to market place correctness. In the example you mention, understeer will be increased. Many suspension companies brought out similar bar sets and then began to revise them for improved performance. I have been a big rear / smaller front bar guy since day one for the Camaro with our first bar sets 27mm front and 32mm rear. Why? Because it worked.

Suspension tuning is a zero sum game. Better handling through higher damping, sway bar or spring rates has a corresponding drop in ride comfort. If we are not changing the tire contact patch to improve handling we are in a zero sum game with total traction. In an automobile like a Camaro with heavy understeer properties, where the rear IRS is superior to the virtual pivot front, to reduce understeer we do what we can to increase front grip and also reduce rear grip.
This has been a very interesting and informative thread!

My question to you, Pete is, does the 27/32 ratio apply to a square tire & wheel setup, or is that different? I'm looking at a 20x10 ET27 wheel with 285/35s on all four corners.

Thanks!! Maxx
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