2013 Mustang GT500 MEGA THREAD

[ffrcobra_65]

Originally Posted by SlingShot

You kinda took what he meant out of context, compared to normal production of Camaros and Mustangs theses will only be 1%-3% of cars produced.

Other than mine, I have not seen another Z on the road in a county of a million people ...

you are right. Depends where you live. Some parts, they consider a Ferrari sighting extremely rare whereas in other parts, they are common.

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

FYI...these are not "really rare" cars, they are not even "rare". They are mass produced...mass produced doesn't equate to "rare."

Which was built in smaller (really rare) numbers?

'69 "ZL1" Camaro

'69 BOSS 429 Mustang

Which was mass-produced?

Which was hand-built/converted?

Which is more valuable today?

And before you pull the "COPO Card", the purpose of the COPO Program was to ensure assemly-line compatability before the order was accepted. NO Dearborn Steel Tubing/Kar Kraft/Hurst hijinks required...

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

FYI...these are not "really rare" cars, they are not even "rare". They are mass produced...mass produced doesn't equate to "rare."

Go to Fords at Carlisle, Chryslers at Carlisle, or the GM nationals at Carlise and you will see just how not rare these cars are.

I will say though that they are a whole lot rarer than most other mass produced cars. Just check out the GT500s annual build numbers compared to the standard mustang or the ZL1 compared to the standard Camaro.

They pretty much build the regular Camaro and mustang in one month the same # they build for the entire year of the ZL1 and GT500. That's pretty rare by today's standards. I do believe that the GT500 will be the rarer of the two though.

[tooslow]

Originally Posted by Automobile Magazine

The outcome of a twenty-month development project....

Wait, you mean the 2013 GT500 was not a response to the ZL1?

[ffrcobra_65]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Which was built in smaller (really rare) numbers?

'69 "ZL1" Camaro

'69 BOSS 429 Mustang

Which was mass-produced?

Which was hand-built/converted?

Which is more valuable today?

And before you pull the "COPO Card", the purpose of the COPO Program was to ensure assemly-line compatability before the order was accepted. NO Dearborn Steel Tubing/Kar Kraft/Hurst hijinks required...

oh I see you are back with more non-sense. You finally digested the first serving of crows and back for more, I see. Well, sit back and keep posting and the 2nd serving will be served. You better start googling paint codes to compare and debate very soon, how about thread count on the trunk liner?

[LOWDOWN]

And a gracious G'day to you, sir. BTW, could you please speak a lil LOUDER...you're sounding a wee bit "muffled"...

[garcmol]

Originally Posted by ffrcobra_65

oh I see you are back with more non-sense. You finally digested the first serving of crows and back for more, I see. Well, sit back and keep posting and the 2nd serving will be served. You better start googling paint codes to compare and debate very soon, how about thread count on the trunk liner?

Did you order your ZL1 yet? Are you still planning on it?

[ffrcobra_65]

Originally Posted by garcmol

Did you order your ZL1 yet? Are you still planning on it?

mid 2013 ZL1 is my preference. That should be plenty of time between the 2012 and early 2013 to iron out whatever minor bugs that will surely creep up. Something was changed in the 2012 just before they were about to get on the train, held in QC for weeks...
I keep saying I will put my SS for sale soon but everytime I walk past it, I tell myself, hang on a little longer. I really wanna take my time on the ZL1, SoCal dealers are marking them up pretty good and will so for a bit longer. I am not willing to buy out of state and deal with the extra crap to get it over here, blah blah blah

[ffrcobra_65]

Originally Posted by jimbone

The 69/70 Boss 429 mustangs were built to allow the engine in NASCAR due to its rules at the time. Without this rule the car would not have been produced.

The 1969 ZL1 Camaros were built for people with deep pockets and who had high ranking friends at Chevrolet at the time. Without the $4160 price increase over a regular Camaro(more than 100%) this car would not have been produced.

jimbone, don't get sucked into it. He will spin everything. Just read up on a few of his posting on ZL1 vs GT500 and you will see what I am talking about.

[BigHemiSrt]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Which was built in smaller (really rare) numbers?

'69 "ZL1" Camaro

'69 BOSS 429 Mustang

Which was mass-produced?

Which was hand-built/converted?

Which is more valuable today?

And before you pull the "COPO Card", the purpose of the COPO Program was to ensure assemly-line compatability before the order was accepted. NO Dearborn Steel Tubing/Kar Kraft/Hurst hijinks required...

And hes officially out of hiding...

Hey lowdown, how ya like the smoke show the Shelby is putting on with those puny tires?? How ya like those 125,127,129mph traps and 11sec et's?? Lol

[TAG UR IT]

How do you like being on

CAMARO5?

[ffrcobra_65]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

And a gracious G'day to you, sir. BTW, could you please speak a lil LOUDER...you're sounding a wee bit "muffled"...

I am glad you like the GT500's exhaust, loud isn't it?

[LOWDOWN]

Ford built the BOSS '9s for NASCAR certification...500-minimum in '69 (Ford missed that number by a few, as did Chrysler with their Charger 500s), and 1,000-minimum for '70 (like the Superbird), which Ford exceeded.

GM, on the other hand, used a readily available engine recipe (ZL1) from that other RARE production-built car of theirs, the ZL1 Corvette (two built). They HAD to build a minimum of 50, as per NHRA, to qualify the car for Super Stock-Class racing.

Ford and Chrysler decided to go "outside" with hand-converted/built cars. GM didn't, and therefore relied on "mass production" to hold costs in line. Otherwise, what would the price of a ZL1 Camaro have been?! Just about as bad as a fully-equipped '13 GT500...

[eolson]

I want the next generation GT500 to be able to break the sound barrier. Is this possible. What would be the trap speed on that? 705mph? Maybe a 2.2 or 2.1 second 1/4 mile?
Let's insist on it. Erik