05-03-2008, 12:02 AM | #29 | |
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They did the same thing with the Grand Nationals. 1987 was the best year for them with over 20,000 units. They kept production of the 1987 model going through December to fill orders. It was faster than the Vette that year (and some speculate that this was the reason it was killed off), but was terminated regardless of sales. I know there were emission issues and they had to make a special, lightweight version that got better gas mileage to meet the regs. These "lightweight Grand Nationals" had a WE4 option code instead of the WE2 code for the Grand National package. But even playing around with the models, GM killed it off and went FWD for 1988. Oh, and a new model can be brought to market in 8 months. It doesn't take 2.5 years with the sophistication of CAD/CAM software these days. Use Caddy's chassis, take the latest engine (LS2?) and toss on a turbo to wake it up. Heck, if the GN could run 13's from the factory with a V6 and a turbo with old fuel management technology, imagine what you could do with a turbo V8? My WE4 is running 11's with a 6-cylinder and getting 25 MPG. C'mon GM, build the thing and get it out. Sell the looks and build your LS3 later. The '67 Camaro wasn't a COPO 427 model! That took a couple of years to get out, but we were able to love the Camaro in the meantime. I just don't understand GM sometimes. |
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05-03-2008, 12:13 AM | #30 | |
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Can I wait a little longer for the Camaro? Yes. I'm back in school now and graduate in the spring (2009). I'll be looking to buy then. We'll see what's available. |
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05-03-2008, 12:27 AM | #31 |
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Do you think they really would have if it was their decision? I'm talking about gov't regs, and market shifts. If there was still a market for a dozen different sports cars, GM would be the king, like they were in the old days. (They still are in what little market is left for such vehicles.) And the Camaro will own all contenders - that's a given, an expectation, and...well, it's natural!
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05-03-2008, 12:41 AM | #32 |
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anyone who says its not too long, or its right on time is attempting to convince themselves they dont want the damn car already. i know i want it already and i cant even afford it yet. ha. i am 19... i am going to college this fall and i wont get the car for another two years. but that doesn't mean that GM has already taken their good sweet time to bring this beast to slaughter. now am i saying they should start cutting corners to speed things up? no. i am saying that they have already taken too long. now we better be impressed as shit or i can think of a few people who are going to be pissed.
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05-03-2008, 08:12 AM | #33 | |
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Yes, GM will emerge on top. Their superior designs always do. But their customer service has gone south. They don't seem to care what buyers want and when you have a vehicle problem, good luck. It took two years and a class-action lawsuit to get the speedometer fixed in my pickup! But I do have to credit GM for longevity. I've killed Ford trucks in 60,000 miles. My older Chevy truck has been beaten, given a new trans, beaten, given new axles (jumping is hard on them), and beaten some more. The engine? 230,000 miles and starts right up. It doesn't smoke and still passes emissions too. Whenever I kill or stick a Ford or Jeep, I go get a Chevy to pull it out. But I've been waiting a long, long time for GM to build something exciting after they killed off my beloved Camaros. |
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05-03-2008, 09:25 AM | #34 |
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Most of your post is opinion and you're entitled of it...but this part is rubbish. Buyers want SUV/SUT/Crossovers....they want high MPG and low cost...they want good reliability. We are the vast minority, wanting the well-balanced pony car, and the fact we're even getting it is a miracle that we owe completely to them LISTENING to the Camaro fanbase for the last 6 years.
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05-03-2008, 10:30 AM | #35 |
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GM has a lot riding on this new Camaro platform and they are going to... they have to, make sure it is right. As FBodfather has stated... it will be world class, and to back up that boast they are going to take the necessary time to iron out the wrinkles. I was disappointed that the Camaro died, but happy to see the energy and effort behind the Camaro team to deliver us a product that looks to be worthy to wear the Camaro badge. Sure I would want it sooner but if I have to wait a little bit longer so I have to spend less time at the dealer getting warranty work performed... or spending more time looking at the rear view mirror to see the GT500 then it is all worth it. The people making the most noise about the length of time just don't understand what it takes to bring a car from drafting board to the showroom... I don't even pretend to know half of it. So... long wait yes, too long no.
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05-03-2008, 10:40 AM | #36 | |
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So we're finally getting a Camaro. Finally. Personally, I can't wait to see one. Most of the pictures I've seen are just okay, but a few look pretty good. I am full of cynicism, but seeing a new Camaro at the local dealer will be like being reborn! Mine will have a turbo on it as fast as I can figure out where to stuff it in! |
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05-03-2008, 12:44 PM | #37 | ||
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What you're not realizing is that the Camaro COULDN'T come back. The St. Therese plant that is was built at had a contract that caused problems with a new Camaro (I don't know the details). When the "leash" was finally taken off GM, what did we get? A Camaro at the 2006 NAIAS. Then it was greenlighted in August. (I can agree that that announcement should have come sooner). So, from August to October (approval to Production) will be just over 2 years for a BRAND NEW car. Not something slapped on a Caddy Chassis with an existing engine, ect. If GM had done that - we'd have another parts-bin Challenger. But we're not getting that. We're getting a "class-leading", vastly superior car at a bargain price. Be glad you're holding out: You won't be disapointed. The Corvette, The G8 (yes I realize it just came out), the Cobalt SS (again, I know...). But they still have thier foot in the door, if you take my meaning. The market has shrunk drastically. EDIT: I just read your post where you said you're hooked. Don't take any of the above personally. |
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I agree Dragoneye, if you wait you will get a worldclass car at an affordable price or you can go out and by a 300hp plastic mustang or a $38,000 challenger. Just be patient and you will be happy once your in the drivers seat.
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05-04-2008, 12:42 PM | #39 |
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So as long as the market positioning and advertising are based around fuel efficiency and an iconic heritage the Camaro will do fine. However the product mix will have to change; V8's are NOT selling. I just got a call from a Pontiac dealer a few days ago that was marking G8 GT's $3g's over sticker 2.5 months ago and now they're trying their hardest to move every last one because no one wants a gas guzzler. What people do want is more MPG If GM is smart they'll bump the DI 3.6L V6 to 300+ hp and bring out an Ecotec 4 a year or so after launch, and believe me, with the way things are with gas prices that thing WILL sell.
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05-05-2008, 09:45 PM | #42 | |
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Even LS9CamaroSS who called my '71 396 Camaro, my '68 RS Camaro, my '68 RS/SS Camaro, and my '68 455 Firebird "Shit you used to race back in the day". I guess he prefers the much better cars of the late '70s! I finish school in March. I need to pick a good graduation present. I think I found a good idea! |
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