Shno's House of Z

[DrkPhx]

I think with the stratospheric msrp it's safe to say GM is definitely making money on the Z/28. I'm sure most of the R&D and tooling cost of the 5th gen have been amortized by now; so what's left is the little engineering and upgraded hardware specific to the Z/28. So yeah, they're making money.

[OldScoolCamaro]

....it's uncommon for Chevy to raise the anty on an new product to such a degree for a release. We understand the new implementation of technology, some is used from other works. Some things are newly engineered and costly, but overall this is not where the price lies. Take the ZL1 in comparision. What ground they broke on that project, and what was delivered for the MSRP. Outstanding, and they sold the dickens out of them. They are not going to sell more than a handfull of these units at this price. And maybe that is their intention.

[tramtwo]

Originally Posted by DrkPhx

I think with the stratospheric msrp it's safe to say GM is definitely making money on the Z/28. I'm sure most of the R&D and tooling cost of the 5th gen have been amortized by now; so what's left is the little engineering and upgraded hardware specific to the Z/28. So yeah, they're making money.

They removed wires out the harness and had to get that new setup certified... that is just one example.... I don't think any corners were cut. I'm not too smart but I can't see Chevy making any money on this car. Makes one hell of a marketing tool!! :-D

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[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by DrkPhx

so what's left is the little engineering and upgraded hardware specific to the Z/28. So yeah, they're making money.

Little engineering?


“We used the very best components in the industry to deliver uncompromised performance, lap after lap,” said Mark Stielow, Camaro Z/28 engineering manager. We made nearly 200 changes"


Heck the spool valve dampeners probably had a ton of R&D by themselves...

I'm not so sure they are making money on this car..... I hope we hear from some of our "in the know" people to chime in about R&D costs.

[OldScoolCamaro]

..understand my point of view. I own a ZL1...<as far as I can keep making payments on it LOL> I own a vintage Z/28. I wanted to get this car. Sour grapes? Perhaps, but after reading everything there is and following the project from beginning to it's near end...making comparisons to the ZL1 and the Z/28...with technological advances, R&D....I don't see the parity between what you get and what you pay. Opinions are like orifices....

[tramtwo]

I miss Pete.

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[PYROLYSIS]

I wouldn't think that they would make a car that doesn't turn a profit. That would go against all the progress they made after the bailout. There will be dealers making more than GM off this car but I think it's safe to say they're making something.

[OldScoolCamaro]

....I've watched too much college football....and football in general....ok, I can't wait for NFL this weekend....LOL.

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by OldScoolCamaro

Opinions are like orifices....[/SIZE]

That they are!

I am upset that I will not be getting a Z/28 but in my opinion it is priced accordingly...... That could change if it doesn't hold up to it's competition on normal road courses though.

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by tramtwo

I miss Pete.

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Agreed...... He has his hands full with the "biz" right now. I'm sure he will pop back in more often when things calm down.

Originally Posted by PYROLYSIS

I wouldn't think that they would make a car that doesn't turn a profit. That would go against all the progress they made after the bailout. There will be dealers making more than GM off this car but I think it's safe to say they're making something.

I'm sure they are making something.... I just don't think its a lot!

[OldScoolCamaro]

Originally Posted by ShnOmac

That they are!

I am upset that I will not be getting a Z/28 but in my opinion it is priced accordingly...... That could change if it doesn't hold up to it's competition on normal road courses though.

. Im upset I wont get it either....LOL. 75K...really....I don't think so.....it ain't worth it. LS7 has already been payed for, DSSV...markup, carbon rotor and breaks have already been in housed, the rear axle gears are a whisper in a crowd on markup..wirring and deletes are inconsequential...oh, it's the rear window glass.

[Number 3]

Ok let's assume it took 20 people working for 2 years straight to design, test, validate, calibrate and prepare for production. That is 40 man years at $150,000 or $6 million in development costs. If there are simply 1,500 per year for 2 years for 3,000 units that alone is $2000 per car. And from my experience.......it took more than 20 people to do everything I know it takes to get a car ready for production.

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Ok let's assume it took 20 people working for 2 years straight to design, test, validate, calibrate and prepare for production. That is 40 man years at $150,000 or $6 million in development costs. If there are simply 1,500 per year for 2 years for 3,000 units that alone is $2000 per car. And from my experience.......it took more than 20 people to do everything I know it takes to get a car ready for production.

Perspective..... I like.

You can't just pull a part off of one car and put it on another and consider it validated... correct?

[2cnd chance]

I think this Z/28 is an "experiment" for GM in moving the Camaro up in technology and pricing. They're seeking new competition and customers.