13' 1LE VS 10' challenger R/T hemi 5.7

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by 08-G35s/6MT

This was in the same DA that my g35 ran 13.6.... It was 810. Not negative.

If you are referring to my post I stated that a 12.7 bone stock run would most likely be in negative DA.

Lids are proven to add about 10hp to a stock ls1. You also have gears and you forgot to mention the programmer in this thread. You would most likely be in the 13's if you were bone stock.

Also...how did you add 3 mph to your trap speed compared to your runs last month with the same mods? Were the conditions that far apart? Your best run before was 13.2@107...

I see you improved your 60 a bit...but not understanding the 3+ mph jump. According to your post last month you made several runs and they were 105-107 mph.

[08-G35s/6MT]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

If you are referring to my post I stated that a 12.7 bone stock run would most likely be in negative DA.

Lids are proven to add about 10hp to a stock ls1. You also have gears and you forgot to mention the programmer in this thread. You would most likely be in the 13's if you were bone stock.

Also...how did you add 3 mph to your trap speed compared to your runs last month with the same mods? Were the conditions that far apart? Your best run before was 13.2@107...

I see you improved your 60 a bit...but not understanding the 3 mph jump.

The SLP Lid comes stock on the SS Camaro's.... The 13.2 run was in 2500 da iirc. It's a pos tuner and I'm selling it tomorrow to get an hp tune.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by 08-G35s/6MT

The SLP Lid comes stock on the SS Camaro's.... The 13.2 run was in 2500 da iirc. It's a pos tuner and I'm selling it tomorrow to get an hp tune.

Not True.

98-01 SS cars all had a regular lid. The 2002 SS cars with the 345hp package had an optional blackwing lid not the regular slp lid.

No SS camaro came with the lid that you have from the factory.

http://ls1tech.com/forums/special-ed...e-slp-lid.html

Doesnt really matter. Nice runs. Just saying a 12.7 isnt going to happen bone stock unless the stars line up just right.

[Deki]

^This man, knows his stuff. Unbiased as well. Carry on kind sir.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by Deki

^This man, knows his stuff. Unbiased as well. Carry on kind sir.

Hmmm... I wouldnt say I am totally unbiased. I lean towards the bowtie. At times it can skew my judgement/opinion like any other person. I dont really have a horse in this race so it is easier for sure.

thanks though

btw....no one answered my question from earlier. What does a strong running 99-04 Heads/Cams stock bottom end 2v make for rwhp on pump gas? Not sure and dont feel like researching. Do you know deki?

[VADER SS L99]

Originally Posted by Stew

You basically just repeated what i said as far a base Z28 being the same price as a decently loaded GT, as you have, you had to add additional options to match the features. So i don't get where you are going........ Honestly I would take a Firbird Formula over both, always have, always will, the point was and still is the same as has been stated in this thread by many.....

You stated the Cobra and Z28 were closer in price than the GT and Z28. I proved that to be B.S. The Cobra and SS are pretty much exactly the same price. The GT and Z28 are about $800-$1500 different with the same options and depending on if its auto or manual. The Z28 is NO WHERE close in price to the Cobra. The Z28 was comparible in price and was the cars DIRECT competition to the GT despite what all the die hard Ford fan bois want to believe. My Z28 had a MSRP of about $24,500. How is that even close to Cobra pricing?

[Deki]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Hmmm... I wouldnt say I am totally unbiased. I lean towards the bowtie. At times it can skew my judgement/opinion like any other person. I dont really have a horse in this race so it is easier for sure.

thanks though

btw....no one answered my question from earlier. What does a strong running 99-04 Heads/Cams stock bottom end 2v make for rwhp on pump gas? Not sure and dont feel like researching. Do you know deki?

You seem pretty unbiased to me. And honestly, I have no clue about 2Vs. When those were around, I was puppy kicking them in my SLP lid and exhaust Z28 up and down the street, I only got introduced to the Mustang in 2011 when they actually gave the base GT some balls.

[VADER SS L99]

Originally Posted by Stew

All points are correct sir. Besides a stripped out base Z28 or Formula, the optioned out cars were high 20s to as much as mid 30s. From new to used and production wise a Cobra would be more comparable on the pricing front than the GT.

Let me quote you AGAIN and prove B.S. I just found my exact cars MSRP as well as the GT,SS and Cobra. My car was $21,875 before options. It had a $1,715 for the power seat, door locks, window locks, keyless entry and alarm ect.. the CD upgrade was $100 and rear defrost was $170. Destination charge was $525. That's $24,385. Now lets look at a Equally equipped GT. The GT starts at $22,730. Premium audio to match the Z28 Monsoon is $550. Auto trans for that car is $815 and destination is also about $525. That comes to $24,095. Leather option for both of them is $500 and pretty much the only other option that you could add. That would of made the Z28 still below 25k. How is this close to high 20's low 30's?????? Still think the GT and Z28 are not compairable in price???????? Now lets look at the SS and Cobra. The SS is really just a option ADD ON to a Z28. Much like the 1LE of the day except the car doesn't drive 5mi to SLP to get the added parts. The SS option adds $3,700 to the Z28. That makes a automatic SS $28,585. The Cobra with destination and spoiler is $28,905. Wow, look at that bro the Cobra is MORE than a SS. Still think the Cobra would be more comparable on the pricing front of a Z28 than the GT. What Now????

[HeavyIOM]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Hmmm... I wouldnt say I am totally unbiased. I lean towards the bowtie. At times it can skew my judgement/opinion like any other person. I dont really have a horse in this race so it is easier for sure.

thanks though

btw....no one answered my question from earlier. What does a strong running 99-04 Heads/Cams stock bottom end 2v make for rwhp on pump gas? Not sure and dont feel like researching. Do you know deki?

Heads/cam 2v would probably be in the 320-350 WHP levles. Guy around here had a cammed 2V he was claiming he was putting down 310 at the wheels. All he had was the Cams, and had cut his cats out with a tune of corse. Im figuring with heads/cams/intake/full exhaust would probably be 320-350 depending on dyno and conditions. This is all just guestimating so dont quote me on it

[Stew]

Originally Posted by VADER SS L99

Let me quote you AGAIN and prove B.S. I just found my exact cars MSRP as well as the GT,SS and Cobra. My car was $21,875 before options. It had a $1,715 for the power seat, door locks, window locks, keyless entry and alarm ect.. the CD upgrade was $100 and rear defrost was $170. Destination charge was $525. That's $24,385. Now lets look at a Equally equipped GT. The GT starts at $22,730. Premium audio to match the Z28 Monsoon is $550. Auto trans for that car is $815 and destination is also about $525. That comes to $24,095. Leather option for both of them is $500 and pretty much the only other option that you could add. That would of made the Z28 still below 25k. How is this close to high 20's low 30's?????? Still think the GT and Z28 are not compairable in price???????? Now lets look at the SS and Cobra. The SS is really just a option ADD ON to a Z28. Much like the 1LE of the day except the car doesn't drive 5mi to SLP to get the added parts. The SS option adds $3,700 to the Z28. That makes a automatic SS $28,585. The Cobra with destination and spoiler is $28,905. Wow, look at that bro the Cobra is MORE than a SS. Still think the Cobra would be more comparable on the pricing front of a Z28 than the GT. What Now????

And what i said is STILL correct. you realize WS6 and SS package are just option packages on the Z28 and Forumla TA, you proved the GT started around 2k cheaper than the Z28 also. Maybe the SS/ is more comparable to the Cobra on price, BUT that said you are still proving MY point more than disproving. Thanks for your time, it saved me a lot!

[Stew]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

To be fair 12.9 is not a freak run. That has been done several times. Though still a very good time and not the norm.
I would consider the 12.7 a freak run and requires everything be perfect and negative DA. They even stated in the article they could have done better than 12.9 with better air.

Things may have changed in the past couple years but last time I knew 12.7 was the best stock time for a bone stock ls1 car. So you got yourself a .9 difference. The GT is going to need an additional 100hp to be faster in this situation all other things equal.

Excuse the ignorance but will a 2v even make 320rwhp NA and stock bottom end? Last time I checked most guys thought staying NA with a 2v was almost pointless for the money compared to other options.

You are correct there. I have seen plenty of 2Vs running well into the 12s NA. It takes modifications for sure. To keep with an LS1 is more about gearing, times, exhaust tune (1/4 mile track only, not talking about street racing lol). Now, to get some top end going going, they defiitely need heads and cams and do corss the 300HP mark with those.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by SAP_Pete

They stopped building 4th gen f-bodies because they sucked, and eventually started building 5th gens.

They stopped building 4th gen Mustangs because they were awesome, and now built the 5th gen of Mustangs because they're even more awesome.

Got it.

Test drove a 94' GT before I bought the Formula. The GT had what, 215 hp ? No low end pull, no top end pull. Boring as f. So much for 4th gen comparisons.

Actually it was just time for a new platform and gen of Mustang. The 04 was still running a version of the fox platform that appeared in the late 70s. Obviously GM didn't see a reason to continue the Camaro at that time. You are right, the 94 GT was kind of pathetic stock. The good thing with the old 5.0 is you had an aftermarket that let you make huge amounts of power for a comparably small investment.

[VADER SS L99]

Originally Posted by Stew

All points are correct sir. Besides a stripped out base Z28 or Formula, the optioned out cars were high 20s to as much as mid 30s. From new to used and production wise a Cobra would be more comparable on the pricing front than the GT.

Originally Posted by Stew

And what i said is STILL correct. you realize WS6 and SS package are just option packages on the Z28 and Forumla TA, you proved the GT started around 2k cheaper than the Z28 also. Maybe the SS/ is more comparable to the Cobra on price, BUT that said you are still proving MY point more than disproving. Thanks for your time, it saved me a lot!

I don't see how I'm proving your point rather than disproving it. You could have every option on the Z28 without making it a SS and it would cost you around 25k. It would be FAR from a base stripped out model and cost no where near 30k. Also like I PROVED the Z28 is comparable in price to the GT, NOT the Cobra. I also proved after I did more research that the Z28 and GT were within 1k of each other when giving both EQUAL options. I still see your quote in red a false BS statement. Sorry you cant just man up and admit your wrong. I remember hearing every BS excuse in the book on why their GT was so much slower than my Z28 and this was one of them. People should just cowboy up and admit when they get beat or when they are WRONG.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by Deki

You seem pretty unbiased to me. And honestly, I have no clue about 2Vs. When those were around, I was puppy kicking them in my SLP lid and exhaust Z28 up and down the street, I only got introduced to the Mustang in 2011 when they actually gave the base GT some balls.

Pretty much same here. Im 29 and got a 98 z28 in 2004. When I was growing up mustang gt=weak.