WTH is going on here? Lifter issue? - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

Dylan1214 · 02-15-2018, 04:24 PM

In the middle of installing my rockers but this lifter is giving me issues. It has play/a bounce to it and its messing up my preload (VIDEO BELOW). Instead of torquing at 1 1/4 turn to 1 3/4 of a turn its torquing at 1/2 turns...None of my other lifters have had this issue and all seem solid, And yes lifter is on base circle. Rotated motor over several times and problem persists.. Has anyone else experienced this? Is it ok to just torque to 22 ft lbs on base circle and call it good?

https://youtu.be/WaTALS3M4As

Stuck in a bore camera and everything looks fine?

Idk what could be causing this, if its a faulty lifter and I have to pull my head again i'm gonna flip out lol..

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Dylan1214 · 02-15-2018, 04:26 PM

And sorry in advance for the vertical camera angle..

el Wulf · 02-15-2018, 04:34 PM

I wouldn't mess with it or install it. Switch it out with a new lifter....way chance it?

go_go_gadget88 · 02-15-2018, 04:42 PM

None of my old ones did that, but some of my brand new ones did. I think it's because they weren't full of oil, so they are just riding the spring inside. Once it's running they should "pump up" just fine, or so it sounds like. I wasn't terribly concerned with those ones, it did make the preload easy to be off though.

Either way subbing to see the consensus!

Dylan1214 · 02-15-2018, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by el Wulf

I wouldn't mess with it or install it. Switch it out with a new lifter....way chance it?

Its already installed, And because If it needs to be swapped I have to pull the head.. If someone has experienced this before and says its all good it would save me alot of time and effort. I was hoping to have the car up and running by tomorrow.

Dylan1214 · 02-15-2018, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by go_go_gadget88

None of my old ones did that, but some of my brand new ones did. I think it's because they weren't full of oil, so they are just riding the spring inside. Once it's running they should "pump up" just fine, or so it sounds like. I wasn't terribly concerned with those ones, it did make the preload easy to be off though.

Either way subbing to see the consensus!

I hope your right, I really really really really don't wanna pull the head and reinstall again lol, I forgot to mention but these are all brand new. Did you just go 22Lbs on base circle and call it good?

Russell James · 02-15-2018, 05:09 PM

Get them all torqued down in the right sequence. You do half at a time, rotate motor 1 revolution, and do the remaining. Service manual has a listing of which ones to do a #1 TDC, and which to do after a rotate.

I'd get them all tq'd down. Rotate by hand a few times, recheck tq. Then valve covers on, fuel system disabled, crank the motor quite a few times 10 to 15 seconds each time on the starter motor. Do that a few times, let the starter cool, do it again a few times.... watching oil pressure. It takes a while to get all the lifters pumped up full of clear oil. Then maybe pop that V/C back off and get that one back on the base circle ( watch for full valve open, then 1 full crank rotate) and loosen/retorque that rocker. To see if getting oil pressure going throughout all the lifters straightens that one out. I'd bet it will.

el Wulf · 02-15-2018, 05:12 PM

If it was an "old school" small block...I'd suggest removing the distributor & self-prime the oil pump to bring up the pressure then recheck the lifter before actually cranking it over, but at a loss on how to prime an LS. My best suggestion would be to have another engine builder physically look at the problem if you're not going to pull the head.

07-SRT · 02-15-2018, 05:14 PM

The lifters have alot of plunger travel and if not pumped up with oil will move very easy.Had the same when I installed new lifters some had more travel than others

frankwjr · 02-15-2018, 05:42 PM

gentleman...the camaro has a wonderful feature, press and hold the gas pedal down BEFORE cranking...lulz...motor will not start but oil gets pumped!

peace out!

frankwjr · 02-15-2018, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylan1214

In the middle of installing my rockers but this lifter is giving me issues. It has play/a bounce to it and its messing up my preload (VIDEO BELOW). Instead of torquing at 1 1/4 turn to 1 3/4 of a turn its torquing at 1/2 turns...None of my other lifters have had this issue and all seem solid, And yes lifter is on base circle. Rotated motor over several times and problem persists.. Has anyone else experienced this? Is it ok to just torque to 22 ft lbs on base circle and call it good?

https://youtu.be/WaTALS3M4As

Stuck in a bore camera and everything looks fine?

Idk what could be causing this, if its a faulty lifter and I have to pull my head again i'm gonna flip out lol..

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if the P/R length has been established, what are you worried about x freakin turns buddy...so old school...I used this..http://forum.grrrr8.net/showthread.php?t=24221
per above prob lifter bounce...use the link and just get the bolts tq's to 22 in the order he shows...easy peasy...your makin your life too hard! peace out.

el Wulf · 02-15-2018, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by frankwjr

gentleman...the camaro has a wonderful feature, press and hold the gas pedal down BEFORE cranking...lulz...motor will not start but oil gets pumped!

peace out!

Thank you for the info on the pedal & its self-prime mode...much appreciated, brother. That's AWESOME!!! GM finally got smart. Also, thanks for the thread on torquing the lifters.

frankwjr · 02-15-2018, 06:23 PM

sdynak · 02-15-2018, 06:32 PM

Looks like everyone is the same page.. needs to be pumped up. Should be fine.

02-15-2018, 04:26 PM	#2
Dylan1214 Drives: 2014 Camaro SS L99 Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: GrandRapids,Michigan Posts: 225 View My Garage	And sorry in advance for the vertical camera angle.. __________________ MODS: GPI MAX Package ported and milled heads+(229/250,111 LSA),Johnson 2110 Lifters,BTR .660 Springs,CHE Trunnions,C5R chain,DSX Flex Fuel kit,LSA Injectors,ZL1 Fuel Pump,MAMO Ported MSD Intake manifold,BOWhite ported Throttle body,25% UDP,CAI Intake,Intake Scoop,Kooks 1 7/8 headers,Borla attak catback,Elite catch can,BMR Motor mounts,CircleD 5C 4000-4200 Torque converter,ADM trans cooler,Jannetty Trans dipstick,DSS Aluminum Driveshaft,3.91 Gears,Eaton TrueTrac,JRE Billet caps,BMR Trailing arms,BMR Toe rods,BMR rear sway bar,Pegasus Solid sub frame bushings,DSS 1,000HP Axles

02-15-2018, 04:42 PM	#4
go_go_gadget88 Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS ABM 6M Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Kansas Posts: 617	None of my old ones did that, but some of my brand new ones did. I think it's because they weren't full of oil, so they are just riding the spring inside. Once it's running they should "pump up" just fine, or so it sounds like. I wasn't terribly concerned with those ones, it did make the preload easy to be off though. Either way subbing to see the consensus! __________________ 2010 ABM 2SS/RS LS3 6 Speed -- Rotofab CAI \| Speed Engineering 1 7/8" Longtubes w/ cat Delete \| Magnaflow competition catback \| TSP 231/246 cam\| TSP/PAC .660" Spring Kit \| TSP CNC Ported Heads \| Bo White PTB \| GPI Ported/RM Intake \| 3.91's \| BC Catch Can \| MGW Shifter \| BMR 1" Drop Springs \| BMR Trailing arms/Toe Rods/Rear UCA Bushings \| Pegasus Subframe Mounts

02-15-2018, 05:14 PM	#9
07-SRT Drives: 2015 Camaro SS Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Jacksonville, Fl Posts: 713	The lifters have alot of plunger travel and if not pumped up with oil will move very easy.Had the same when I installed new lifters some had more travel than others __________________ 2015 Camaro 2SS Cam/Heads/FBO 498/447 SAE

02-15-2018, 05:42 PM	#10
frankwjr Drives: 2010 SS 2SS M6 Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Smithsburg, Md. Posts: 2,445	gentleman...the camaro has a wonderful feature, press and hold the gas pedal down BEFORE cranking...lulz...motor will not start but oil gets pumped! peace out! __________________ 2010 SS 2SS M6 - Tune by RDP dynoSteve!(Woot) - Daily Driver - *150K!* - All work by me...

02-15-2018, 06:23 PM	#13
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02-15-2018, 04:24 PM	#1
Dylan1214 Drives: 2014 Camaro SS L99 Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: GrandRapids,Michigan Posts: 225 View My Garage	WTH is going on here? Lifter issue? In the middle of installing my rockers but this lifter is giving me issues. It has play/a bounce to it and its messing up my preload (VIDEO BELOW). Instead of torquing at 1 1/4 turn to 1 3/4 of a turn its torquing at 1/2 turns...None of my other lifters have had this issue and all seem solid, And yes lifter is on base circle. Rotated motor over several times and problem persists.. Has anyone else experienced this? Is it ok to just torque to 22 ft lbs on base circle and call it good? https://youtu.be/WaTALS3M4As Stuck in a bore camera and everything looks fine? Idk what could be causing this, if its a faulty lifter and I have to pull my head again i'm gonna flip out lol.. [IMG][/IMG] __________________ MODS: GPI MAX Package ported and milled heads+(229/250,111 LSA),Johnson 2110 Lifters,BTR .660 Springs,CHE Trunnions,C5R chain,DSX Flex Fuel kit,LSA Injectors,ZL1 Fuel Pump,MAMO Ported MSD Intake manifold,BOWhite ported Throttle body,25% UDP,CAI Intake,Intake Scoop,Kooks 1 7/8 headers,Borla attak catback,Elite catch can,BMR Motor mounts,CircleD 5C 4000-4200 Torque converter,ADM trans cooler,Jannetty Trans dipstick,DSS Aluminum Driveshaft,3.91 Gears,Eaton TrueTrac,JRE Billet caps,BMR Trailing arms,BMR Toe rods,BMR rear sway bar,Pegasus Solid sub frame bushings,DSS 1,000HP Axles

02-15-2018, 04:34 PM	#3
el Wulf Drives: 2011 2SS/RS Camaro Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Chico, California Posts: 187 View My Garage	I wouldn't mess with it or install it. Switch it out with a new lifter....way chance it?

02-15-2018, 05:09 PM	#7
Russell James Drives: '15 SS 1LE, '69 Z28 drag car Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Mich Posts: 4,482	Get them all torqued down in the right sequence. You do half at a time, rotate motor 1 revolution, and do the remaining. Service manual has a listing of which ones to do a #1 TDC, and which to do after a rotate. I'd get them all tq'd down. Rotate by hand a few times, recheck tq. Then valve covers on, fuel system disabled, crank the motor quite a few times 10 to 15 seconds each time on the starter motor. Do that a few times, let the starter cool, do it again a few times.... watching oil pressure. It takes a while to get all the lifters pumped up full of clear oil. Then maybe pop that V/C back off and get that one back on the base circle ( watch for full valve open, then 1 full crank rotate) and loosen/retorque that rocker. To see if getting oil pressure going throughout all the lifters straightens that one out. I'd bet it will.

02-15-2018, 05:12 PM	#8
el Wulf Drives: 2011 2SS/RS Camaro Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Chico, California Posts: 187 View My Garage	If it was an "old school" small block...I'd suggest removing the distributor & self-prime the oil pump to bring up the pressure then recheck the lifter before actually cranking it over, but at a loss on how to prime an LS. My best suggestion would be to have another engine builder physically look at the problem if you're not going to pull the head.

02-15-2018, 06:32 PM	#14
sdynak Drives: 2010 1SS Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Bayville, NJ Posts: 936	Looks like everyone is the same page.. needs to be pumped up. Should be fine. __________________ 2010 1SS LS3, Black, 235/250, .621/.615, 114 + 4, Kooks Stepped Headers, 3.91's, Bo White PTB, Flowmaster Mufflers, Cold Air Industries CAI, Apex Scoop & Windshield Washer Relocate, SLP Wheels, Skip Shift Eliminate, Barton Flat Stick, OEM HID/Halos, Dyno Tuned by ECS