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Old 06-05-2020, 09:44 PM   #15
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I think it just all comes down to goals. Are you trying to build a fun car to drive in the street or attempting to set records at the strip. I can only imagine how much fun these cars are with that setup. Probably a blast. I plan on doing the ecs 1500 kit with meth in the future but im pretty torn over trying to build a 500+whp n/a setup instead because this is a pure street car for me. Right now full bolt on with 4.11s is seriously fun to kick around town in!
500whp NA on the street will start getting to less fun. FI keeps big power streetable and fun.
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Old 06-05-2020, 11:28 PM   #16
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I believe 1le and zl1 5th gens and all 6th gen camaro v8 manuals have that insane tall geared transmission. That trans has a HUGE 5th gear so most guys dont want 4.11s because they don’t want to be shifting into 5th at the end of the track. With 3.91 gears the 6th gen guys can do almost 190mph in 5th gear. Thats why they stay away. 5th gen ss camaros are totally different. My 4th gear’s top speed is 128-130 and 5th gear’s top speed is 155-160 now. So with our trans, even if you’re trapping above 130 in the 1/4 mile, that 5th gear isn’t going to kill your time. But you need to be approaching 800 horsepower to even get to 130+mph trap speeds. I think if you go centrifugal supercharged like a procharger, gears would be a great mod to go with it. Itll help you get to to higher rpms to get quicker boost. Just my opinion.
You must have a pretty low twisting motor to only get 130 in 4th. My car will go a little over 140 in fourth with 4.10's, a 28" tire, at a out 7200rpm. I run 26" tires at the track to get more rpm out of 4th out the back.

These cars definitely love the gear, no reason for anything less than 4.10's until you add boost or spray.
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Old 06-05-2020, 11:29 PM   #17
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500whp NA on the street will start getting to less fun. FI keeps big power streetable and fun.
I think 500whp NA is a riot on the street. Doesn't drive near as bad as you'd think it would have to. Tuning, tuning, TUNING!
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Old 06-06-2020, 07:02 AM   #18
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I think 500whp NA is a riot on the street. Doesn't drive near as bad as you'd think it would have to. Tuning, tuning, TUNING!
That may be true but FI will still drive better and easily make more than 500whp. I was at 600 before the cam and it drove like stock until you got into boost. Now its about the same normal driving i just can get a slight buck under 1400rpm at very light throttle
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Old 06-06-2020, 07:29 AM   #19
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That may be true but FI will still drive better and easily make more than 500whp. I was at 600 before the cam and it drove like stock until you got into boost. Now its about the same normal driving i just can get a slight buck under 1400rpm at very light throttle
I would completely agree with that. If you want to retain that stock drivability and make 600 then boost is obviously the way to go.
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Old 06-06-2020, 02:15 PM   #20
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You must have a pretty low twisting motor to only get 130 in 4th. My car will go a little over 140 in fourth with 4.10's, a 28" tire, at a out 7200rpm. I run 26" tires at the track to get more rpm out of 4th out the back.

These cars definitely love the gear, no reason for anything less than 4.10's until you add boost or spray.
130 @ 6,250 rpm. Stock cam anything above 6250 it nosedives. Itll do close to 140 if you rev to 6500
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Old 06-06-2020, 03:09 PM   #21
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That may be true but FI will still drive better and easily make more than 500whp. I was at 600 before the cam and it drove like stock until you got into boost. Now its about the same normal driving i just can get a slight buck under 1400rpm at very light throttle
Thing is doing a cam only build will replace a lot of parts which will help my car that has almost 60k miles on it. Plus i was quoted at 3500 all parts, labor and tuning. So i agree 100% but its also price. So on one hand yes the car will drive more like stock except hot weather does kill boost over an n/a setup. Itll cost anywhere between $7500-10,000 to get the kit and have it installed. And if i went with boost id I’ll also be boosting an engine with a decent amount of miles which may not be an issue but could be. So all and all i do think there is an argument for having “cam only” build for a 5th gen street car. Price and the benefits of replacing crucial engine components vs power and driving characteristics. I say sound is even because blowers sound awesome and cammed LS sound awesome. Id love to have both! But you’re definitely right.
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Old 06-17-2020, 09:24 PM   #22
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Is it possible to put a higher than stock ratio into the stock fifth gen housing? Anybody sell kits for that? Would like a higher ratio for daily driving but not at the price point of a whole new rear end.
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Old 06-17-2020, 09:36 PM   #23
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Is it possible to put a higher than stock ratio into the stock fifth gen housing? Anybody sell kits for that? Would like a higher ratio for daily driving but not at the price point of a whole new rear end.
Higher than 3.46?
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Old 06-17-2020, 09:42 PM   #24
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Higher than 3.46?
Stock is 3.73 right? I want to go to 4.10/4.11. Would be nicer to have it be a little more peppy around town.
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Stock is 3.73 right? I want to go to 4.10/4.11. Would be nicer to have it be a little more peppy around town.
Stock in the M6 SS is 3.46. Higher would be smaller numbers. Lower would be bigger numbers. 4.10 is lower gears.

Most people go 3.91 or 4.11
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Old 06-17-2020, 09:47 PM   #26
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Stock in the M6 SS is 3.46. Higher would be smaller numbers. Lower would be bigger numbers. 4.10 is lower gears.

Most people go 3.91 or 4.11
higher as in higher ratio. But regardless. What different gear ratios can the stock housing accommodate. Having a hell of time finding kits for the stock rear end and not custom units.
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Old 06-17-2020, 09:52 PM   #27
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So i had to post my impressions of the 4.11
Do you run the car at the strip if so what tire do you run or plan on running?
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Old 06-17-2020, 09:58 PM   #28
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higher as in higher ratio. But regardless. What different gear ratios can the stock housing accommodate. Having a hell of time finding kits for the stock rear end and not custom units.
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