04-27-2019, 10:00 AM | #15 |
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The Camaro is a NICE car. Whatever it is, it is nice. Debate stops here!
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04-27-2019, 10:05 AM | #16 |
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The Camaro out muscles most muscle cars, out sports most sports cars, out cruises most GT cars, out ponies all the other pony cars.
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04-27-2019, 10:06 AM | #17 | |
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I have to agree the Camaro is a sports car and feels that way, looks that way. Nothing wrong with that but no way i feel it can be called a muscle car based on the exterior looks alone. Just like the Challenger i cant call a sports car.... |
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04-27-2019, 10:44 AM | #18 |
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Everyone seems to have a definition of a 'sports car'. And the definitions vary a lot, so i don't use it. But since we're having this discussion i'll share what i wish the term meant. A sport car is a car that's fun and capable to do motorsports in like trackday, autocross.. etc. With that definition, any car can be made a sports car with some work.
But just talking about what you can buy off the showroom floor, a sports car won't over heat on track, it won't wear through outside tire edges in a few sessions because you can adjust camber. The brakes won't over heat. You can take to event after event, and it won't break down. The manufacturer will stand by it's product if it does break down. It's designed to handle at the limit in a predictable way. So, yeah i think the camaro is a sport car. |
04-27-2019, 10:46 AM | #19 |
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I say it’s both. It’s modern and does everything great.
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04-27-2019, 11:17 AM | #20 |
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There is no such thing as a "muscle car" today... especially in regards to the current C6 Camaro... it is not the 1960's... it is 2019. The Camaro have far evolved away from the "muscle car moniker" of old. Just drive one. It's corners handles, and drives along with the best of any luxury coupe. Alpha platform.
The lines have blurred... I almost never hear anyone use the term "muscle car" anymore. Even from the people that love and collect them. |
04-27-2019, 11:41 AM | #21 |
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It’s a do-it-all performance car. Can happily even take passengers as long as they have no legs.
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04-27-2019, 11:45 AM | #22 |
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Yes the lines have blurred. A decade ago roughly, there was a friend at work called "muscle car Dave". Then there was a muscle car Jason. Then a muscle car Jerry. Muscle car Joe... There's a second Dave, but I guess he'd have to be "sports car Dave"... Maybe not? There'a guy with a Mustang that's called Hemi... Then there's a few guys that play around with the diesel trucks...
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Let the experts speak
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04-27-2019, 09:55 PM | #24 | |
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Its what its always been, a Pony Car or Sports Coupe. A Sports car is a small 2 seater. A Musclecar was an intermediate size car with a performance V8 with loads of low end torque. A modern Camaro still has loads of Torque thus some still use the term muscle car. I call it a Modern pony car sports coupe that just happens to have low down muscle and high top end speed. |
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04-27-2019, 10:03 PM | #25 |
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Yes...by todays standards its a Muscle car. Back in the day there were so many selection of cool cars. Today I put vehicles into 3 classes....Muscle cars, Pods and SUVs. The Camaro, Challenger, Chargers and Mustang V8s fall into the Modern Muscle car category.
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04-27-2019, 10:06 PM | #26 |
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It's a muscle sports car.....
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04-28-2019, 02:41 PM | #27 | |
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It still feels wrong to me for a car like the Camaro to inherit a different segment name just because that other segment has essentially died off. Once the segment is gone, its descriptive name ought to be retired or at least "furloughed" in case the segment ever revives. Norm
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04-28-2019, 03:38 PM | #28 |
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So to stir the pot, not all Camaros are Muscle Cars as the L4 and V6 surely can't qualify as Muscle. With a 1LE package both could still be considered Sports Cars by the definitions in this thread.
Further, is the ATS-V coupe a Sports Car or Muscle Car? Two doors, same chassis, massive brakes, about the same HP and Torque as a Camaro SS. If not, then does that make the Camaro a Muscle Car or Sports car because of...……………...styling? Or is a V8 required to be a Muscle Car like 2 seats are required for a Sports Car regardless of HP? And then there is the marketing aspect as GM has called the Camaro both using it to suit their needs. Even in the Chevrolet website they refer to "Modernized Muscle"
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