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ender2664 · 03-11-2014, 10:13 PM

I ran across this list of performance categories and figured that i would ask some questions about the ones that I do not have as much knowledge about as i would like to. Thank you in advance for your help and knowledge.

Intake-Is there a common consensus on this board as to which one is best?
Catch Can- can i install the majority of these with an afternoon and common hand tools?
Is there a consensus about which one is best or will RevXtreme and Elite do just about the same?
Superchargers - Difference between roots and centrifugal besides mounting and shape?
Super/Turbochargers- does anyone know if a company is trying to make an option for under 4K? Has it been figured out what a safe level of psi in a LFX is?
Nitrous-I have looked into nitrous and have a good knowledge of it. However last time i did serious research was a few years back. Has there been any developments in the last few years that has made this a safer option *crosses fingers*
Heads- given the efficiency of these motors, without aftermarket mods is there still a good bit of power to find in these?
Intake Manifold Spacer- from what i have read the LLT has heat soak issues that the LFX does not. Will an intake manifold spacer still help out on the 2014s?
Is this the same as a manifold insulator?
Mass Airflow Sensorr- How is it that the aftermarket sensors can increase flow by so much and not generate more power? Is the fuel system already maxed out?
Piston Heads- Is any company planning on coming up with high compression ones? Has anyone increased the compression on the LFX?
Plenum Spacer- has anyone seen gains from these on the LFX?
Ported intake manifold- does anyone make this for the LFX?
-why is it given that GM is willing to spend all kinds of money doing R&D to come up with a whole new way to get exhaust out of the car and not have the intake manifold be optimized?
Manifold Insulator- does anyone make this for the LFX?
Lightweight Pulleys- anyone have plans for these?

SimpleGreen · 03-11-2014, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ender2664

I ran across this list of performance categories and figured that i would ask some questions about the ones that I do not have as much knowledge about as i would like to. Thank you in advance for your help and knowledge.

Intake-Is there a common consensus on this board as to which one is best?

I personally prefer Roto Fab and Cold Air Inductions. Have both, liked them equally.

Catch Can- can i install the majority of these with an afternoon and common hand tools?

You can install it in half and hour with a basic set of tools.

Is there a consensus about which one is best or will RevXtreme and Elite do just about the same?

I have had both. I prefer the Elite Can. I like the threaded in metal fittings and the screw off bottom instead of the hose and valve on the RX unit.

Superchargers - Difference between roots and centrifugal besides mounting and shape?

No input here.

Super/Turbochargers- does anyone know if a company is trying to make an option for under 4K? Has it been figured out what a safe level of psi in a LFX is?

An LFX can take a moderate amount of boost. You won't find a worthwhile setup under $4K.

Nitrous-I have looked into nitrous and have a good knowledge of it. However last time i did serious research was a few years back. Has there been any developments in the last few years that has made this a safer option *crosses fingers*

Good tune. Good plugs.

Heads- given the efficiency of these motors, without aftermarket mods is there still a good bit of power to find in these?

I'm not sure that anyone has done a lot of head work on the LFX motors. I wouldn't consider it a viable avenue for anything less than the most serious performance guys.

Intake Manifold Spacer- from what i have read the LLT has heat soak issues that the LFX does not. Will an intake manifold spacer still help out on the 2014s?
Is this the same as a manifold insulator?

The LFX engines has a plastic intake that heat soaks less, though I thought I saw someone making a spacer for it regardless.

Mass Airflow Sensorr- How is it that the aftermarket sensors can increase flow by so much and not generate more power? Is the fuel system already maxed out?

Not real keen on this, but the fuel system has a little more to go in the LFX cars, but a new mass air flow sensor isn't going to increase any air flow. All it could do is BS the computer into changing the amount of fuel going in I suspect.

Piston Heads- Is any company planning on coming up with high compression ones? Has anyone increased the compression on the LFX?

The LFX is already pretty high. It's in the 11:1 + range If I recall. I think any aftermarket pistons were probably stronger and either the same or lower compression for boosted applications.

Plenum Spacer- has anyone seen gains from these on the LFX?

No input here.

Ported intake manifold- does anyone make this for the LFX?
-why is it given that GM is willing to spend all kinds of money doing R&D to come up with a whole new way to get exhaust out of the car and not have the intake manifold be optimized?

Because as far as GM is concerned, it works fine as is.

Manifold Insulator- does anyone make this for the LFX?

I thought one was in production or being designed.

Lightweight Pulleys- anyone have plans for these?

Not real sure, but I doubt it. Perhaps a set of under drive pulleys exist.

Sounds like you are hunting for horsepower. It can be had out of the LFX but you will probably pay dearly for it.

ender2664 · 03-11-2014, 11:01 PM

Thank you very much for all of the information and input.

Indydriver · 03-12-2014, 03:54 AM

I have a 2SS vert on order. While waiting, I have researched extensively on this site and conversed directly with many C5 members, tuners and suppliers. While you will get arguments on which is "best", I believe there is agreement on "top tier" products that are well made and deliver as good of performance as is available on the market. I can't address all your needs but based on my research here, I will be making the following mods after I put about 500 miles on the car.

Catch Can
-I'm going with Rx. I have had extensive conversations with Tracy about all my mods. He has been extremely helpful and supportive. If there is anyone who knows more about catch cans, I don't know who it would be. BTW, he endorses the Elite2 as a worthy competitor but thinks their original is too small. For the record, I've become so convinced of the deleterious effects of blowby being fed back into my intake, I'm also buying Rx's 1LE style clean side separator. Read Tracy's tech articles here:

http://www.revxtreme.com/index.php?r...gory&cat_id=17

CAI
-Cold Air Inductions has all the features and performance and looks good under the hood. They may have equals but I doubt there are any better.

Ported Throttle Body
-you don't mention this but it seems to be a consensus by tuners here that the CNC ported TB by VRAM is the best bang-for-the-buck mod available today for the LS3.

Headers
-I've settled on ARH 1-7/8" with cats and X pipe to-the-axle kit preserving my OE NPP exhaust. ARH has been in the business a long time, uses high grade SS, manufactures in the U.S., makes as much power as anybody and has the staff to be very supportive of their dealers and end users. There are cheaper products but, well, you get the idea.

Tune
-dynotune by Mike Norris Motorsports in Indy. I'm fortunate to live close to one of the consensus 'most knowledgable and experienced' LS tuners in the country. There are other good ones that sponsor this forum. Look around and you'll figure it out.

Good luck with your build. Start a member journal so we can all follow along.

rtcat600man · 03-12-2014, 05:08 AM

Funny............you ran across that list of perfomrance stuff after I sent you the message to go do some research and reading.

You would actually get even more help, (well maybe not now), if you had posted this in a V6 section either the LLT or the LFX. As we have many "experts" in this area and could help too.

Oh well, Good Luck.

1KillerSS · 03-12-2014, 05:34 AM

cliffdog89 · 03-12-2014, 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ender2664

I ran across this list of performance categories and figured that i would ask some questions about the ones that I do not have as much knowledge about as i would like to. Thank you in advance for your help and knowledge.

Intake-Is there a common consensus on this board as to which one is best?

You will get several different opinions on this but from all my research and personal experience - roto-fab and cold air inductions seem to make the best cold air intake systems. I personally have the Cold air inductions and I love it and would highly recommend.

Catch Can- can i install the majority of these with an afternoon and common hand tools?
Is there a consensus about which one is best or will RevXtreme and Elite do just about the same?

I would go with the Elite catch can through apex chase (forum sponsor on here). I would assume both catch cans are comparable but chase has is extremely responsive to questions you may have for him.

Also - chase is coming out with braided hoses and fittings for the v6 which will pretty your engine bay up. (he already has them for the LS3 and L99 engines) http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=331206

You'll also want to get the vmax ported throttle body.

Superchargers - Difference between roots and centrifugal besides mounting and shape?
Super/Turbochargers- does anyone know if a company is trying to make an option for under 4K? Has it been figured out what a safe level of psi in a LFX is?

Under 4K? I doubt it. The only kit that I know exists is the IPF supercharger which runs in the 7K range plus install/tune

Nitrous-I have looked into nitrous and have a good knowledge of it. However last time i did serious research was a few years back. Has there been any developments in the last few years that has made this a safer option *crosses fingers*

find etmx183 - he has lots of excellent and hands on experience with nos. Also look at this thread I started - lots of great information regarding a Nos setup. http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=329770

Heads- given the efficiency of these motors, without aftermarket mods is there still a good bit of power to find in these?

Again, talk to etmx - the best tune you are going to get is from matt@FSP - he has a mail order package and will remote tune your car for you. He can pull roughly an extra 20RWHP (more if you have a forced induction system).

Intake Manifold Spacer- from what i have read the LLT has heat soak issues that the LFX does not. Will an intake manifold spacer still help out on the 2014s?

you can get some additional low end torque but it may cost you some high end HP. check out this thread http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=307431

Is this the same as a manifold insulator?
Mass Airflow Sensorr- How is it that the aftermarket sensors can increase flow by so much and not generate more power? Is the fuel system already maxed out?
Piston Heads- Is any company planning on coming up with high compression ones? Has anyone increased the compression on the LFX?
Plenum Spacer- has anyone seen gains from these on the LFX?
Ported intake manifold- does anyone make this for the LFX?
-why is it given that GM is willing to spend all kinds of money doing R&D to come up with a whole new way to get exhaust out of the car and not have the intake manifold be optimized?
Manifold Insulator- does anyone make this for the LFX?
Lightweight Pulleys- anyone have plans for these?

Those are the questions I have answers for. Something you left out: CAMS are also in development for the LFX: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=242610

Good luck with your build! if you have any more questions feel free to hit me up.

6bangerBOOM · 03-14-2014, 08:55 AM

Peruse the camaro5 LFX forum for all the info you want. A couple of the guys are always designing and adding new mods, and it sounds like you could add a lot to the conversations yourself. Come kick it with us!

03-11-2014, 10:13 PM	#1
ender2664 Account Suspended Drives: 2016 2SS Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Palm Desert Posts: 2,353	Lots of questions about mods I ran across this list of performance categories and figured that i would ask some questions about the ones that I do not have as much knowledge about as i would like to. Thank you in advance for your help and knowledge. Intake-Is there a common consensus on this board as to which one is best? Catch Can- can i install the majority of these with an afternoon and common hand tools? Is there a consensus about which one is best or will RevXtreme and Elite do just about the same? Superchargers - Difference between roots and centrifugal besides mounting and shape? Super/Turbochargers- does anyone know if a company is trying to make an option for under 4K? Has it been figured out what a safe level of psi in a LFX is? Nitrous-I have looked into nitrous and have a good knowledge of it. However last time i did serious research was a few years back. Has there been any developments in the last few years that has made this a safer option crosses fingers Heads- given the efficiency of these motors, without aftermarket mods is there still a good bit of power to find in these? Intake Manifold Spacer- from what i have read the LLT has heat soak issues that the LFX does not. Will an intake manifold spacer still help out on the 2014s? Is this the same as a manifold insulator? Mass Airflow Sensorr- How is it that the aftermarket sensors can increase flow by so much and not generate more power? Is the fuel system already maxed out? Piston Heads- Is any company planning on coming up with high compression ones? Has anyone increased the compression on the LFX? Plenum Spacer- has anyone seen gains from these on the LFX? Ported intake manifold- does anyone make this for the LFX? -why is it given that GM is willing to spend all kinds of money doing R&D to come up with a whole new way to get exhaust out of the car and not have the intake manifold be optimized? Manifold Insulator- does anyone make this for the LFX? Lightweight Pulleys- anyone have plans for these?

03-12-2014, 03:54 AM	#4
Indydriver Drives: '14 2SS/RS Vert 6M/KTU/NPP/DTA/ARH Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 2,826	I have a 2SS vert on order. While waiting, I have researched extensively on this site and conversed directly with many C5 members, tuners and suppliers. While you will get arguments on which is "best", I believe there is agreement on "top tier" products that are well made and deliver as good of performance as is available on the market. I can't address all your needs but based on my research here, I will be making the following mods after I put about 500 miles on the car. Catch Can -I'm going with Rx. I have had extensive conversations with Tracy about all my mods. He has been extremely helpful and supportive. If there is anyone who knows more about catch cans, I don't know who it would be. BTW, he endorses the Elite2 as a worthy competitor but thinks their original is too small. For the record, I've become so convinced of the deleterious effects of blowby being fed back into my intake, I'm also buying Rx's 1LE style clean side separator. Read Tracy's tech articles here: http://www.revxtreme.com/index.php?r...gory&cat_id=17 CAI -Cold Air Inductions has all the features and performance and looks good under the hood. They may have equals but I doubt there are any better. Ported Throttle Body -you don't mention this but it seems to be a consensus by tuners here that the CNC ported TB by VRAM is the best bang-for-the-buck mod available today for the LS3. Headers -I've settled on ARH 1-7/8" with cats and X pipe to-the-axle kit preserving my OE NPP exhaust. ARH has been in the business a long time, uses high grade SS, manufactures in the U.S., makes as much power as anybody and has the staff to be very supportive of their dealers and end users. There are cheaper products but, well, you get the idea. Tune -dynotune by Mike Norris Motorsports in Indy. I'm fortunate to live close to one of the consensus 'most knowledgable and experienced' LS tuners in the country. There are other good ones that sponsor this forum. Look around and you'll figure it out. Good luck with your build. Start a member journal so we can all follow along. __________________ Consensus is, by definition, a lack of leadership. Last edited by Indydriver; 03-12-2014 at 04:12 AM.

03-12-2014, 05:08 AM	#5
rtcat600man having FUN now 13.66@101 Drives: 2010 2LT IOM Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Clarkston, Michigan Posts: 9,230 View My Garage	Funny............you ran across that list of perfomrance stuff after I sent you the message to go do some research and reading. You would actually get even more help, (well maybe not now), if you had posted this in a V6 section either the LLT or the LFX. As we have many "experts" in this area and could help too. Oh well, Good Luck. __________________ MY BUILD

03-12-2014, 05:34 AM	#6
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03-11-2014, 11:01 PM	#3
ender2664 Account Suspended Drives: 2016 2SS Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Palm Desert Posts: 2,353	Thank you very much for all of the information and input.

03-14-2014, 08:55 AM	#8
6bangerBOOM Drives: 2016 1SS SW Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: N/A Posts: 1,443	Peruse the camaro5 LFX forum for all the info you want. A couple of the guys are always designing and adding new mods, and it sounds like you could add a lot to the conversations yourself. Come kick it with us!