Camaro 6 running with a 5th gen v8.

[Welker2]

Originally Posted by PDXSSCE

In fairness, if a sports car is a small two-door vehicle designed for spirited performance & nimble handling, I think the 6th generation Camaro V6 qualifies.

Nissan 370Z vs Camaro V6

Horsepower 332HP vs 335HP
Torque 270 lb-ft @ 5,200 rpm vs 284 lb-ft @ 5,300 rpm
Weight 3,333 lbs vs 3,647 lbs
0-60 5.2 sec vs 5.1 sec
1/4 Mile 13.9 sec @ 104 MPH vs 13.7 sec @ 102 MPH

To purists, your definition leaves out one factor - sports cars are small, two door, two seat (no rear) vehicles designed for spirited performance and nimble handling on road courses. The only true American sports cars are the Corvette (the original) and the Vipor. Camaros, Mustangs, Challengers, although becoming more 'sport-like', are pony/muscle cars

[Outlaw77]

I would never consider the camaro, challenger and mustang a sports car. But I guess that's what the manufacturers call them which is dumb.

[2010reddevil]

Well my bike makes 200hp/L so there's that. Power to weight wins vs all. 5.2lbs per hp for me. And I'd no way ever pick a V6 or ANY engine that has only one port. Good luck trying to ever port one!

[Chevy Runs Deep]

Originally Posted by Gen6_1Le

In real life the Gen6 1LE put down a faster lap time then the Gen5 Z28 ,numbers are numbers ,its all real life . Too many people want to pick and choose what numbers suit Them best and the rest are not real world or real life , silly . What strikes me funny is that i hear a lot of guys wanting the L99 SS because its faster then the LS3,that half second or whatever its not worth getting an Auto .The Gen6 V6 would not do as well against Gen5 SS 1Le but all cars no matter where you run them its about mechanical grip and suspension, what good is power if you can't get it down and turn.
Back in my younger years it was a V6 that caused a lot of hurt feelings and embarrassment among V8 guys.

Yeah i wouldn't have wanted to piss off a Grand National with a Camaro in the 80s either

The LS3 is the faster than the L99, I've driven my cousins 2012 several times over the years. Rontammy0's is just well driven

Not bagging on the V6 6th gen, especially the 2lt as its a nice sporty car. It has a nicer interior for sure and feels lighter on its feet. It definetly has its place, just not in front of me in any straight line race.

Also would you really want an auto over a manual for your fun street car? I found the shifter and clutch to be excellent in the 6th gen SS and rev match makes traffic pretty livable. I would prefer auto for drag racing or urban DD. Manual or dct for road course or backroads.

[MrChrisLS3]

Originally Posted by rontammy0

So because Im banned from Camaro 6 for hurting peoples feeling I just get to browse. There is a thread discussing where is the love for the v6. Im starting to notice alot of posts where 6th gen v6 owners are bragging how their cars can hang with a 5th gen v8. About .5 seconds 0-60 between the two I think is what they are saying if I remember. Any V8 guys get a chance to run one yet? Thoughts?

You got banned? Wow, I don't remember reading anything of yours that was that far out of line, anyway.

335 from an N/A v6 is nothing to sneeze at, considering the Gen4 LS1 was 308hp and the C5 Corvette LS1 was 350hp. But yeah, some of that is going a little overboard. For example, that .5 0-60 translates into an eternity by the time you get to the 1320 mark, especially given the torque not to mention top end advantage. The only thing the Gen 6 v6 has over the 5th Gen SS is being about 300 lbs lighter, but that's not going to make up for the HP/Tq disadvantage.

[rontammy0]

Wow.....we have covered alot of topics that I would not have thought about when I started this thread. Im glad everybody has an opinion.....except that one comment where the poster gave me a pretty good dig. I may try to organize a Camaro meet up at the Drag strip to get some of these matchups on vid. Try to get a good mix of 5th gen......6th gen.....autos and manuals v6s and v8s. It will be all on the track and I will post every vid. Win lose or draw. I can even have a comment vid the losers can explain what happened. But my mustang buddies may be there.

[PDXSSCE]

Originally Posted by IMadeYouReadThis

fixed it for you bro

I appreciate the correction. It further confirms the 6th generation V6 is a qualified sports car.

[SecondZ28]

Originally Posted by Welker2

To purists, your definition leaves out one factor - sports cars are small, two door, two seat (no rear) vehicles designed for spirited performance and nimble handling on road courses. The only true American sports cars are the Corvette (the original) and the Vipor. Camaros, Mustangs, Challengers, although becoming more 'sport-like', are pony/muscle cars

Agreed. With Camaro/Mustang having decided to take on curves, they are caught somewhere between muscle car and sports car. They leave Challenger as the last "traditional" muscle car.

Originally Posted by Chevy Runs Deep

Not bagging on the V6 6th gen, especially the 2lt as its a nice sporty car. It has a nicer interior for sure and feels lighter on its feet.

I agree it's a nice car and it's nothing like the old 3.4/3.8 V6 4th Gen's. But it also doesn't make it a sports car as some are trying to convince themselves.

[Chevy Runs Deep]

Originally Posted by SecondZ28

Agreed. With Camaro/Mustang having decided to take on curves, they are caught somewhere between muscle car and sports car. They leave Challenger as the last "traditional" muscle car.



I agree it's a nice car and it's nothing like the old 3.4/3.8 V6 4th Gen's. But it also doesn't make it a sports car as some are trying to convince themselves.

Agreed. I also feel that true sports cars are 2 seaters with maybe 997 and older 911s as an exception. No adult with legs can get in the back of one of those. These are gt/ pony cars with Challengers being muscle cars.

[PDXSSCE]

Originally Posted by Welker2

To purists, your definition leaves out one factor - sports cars are small, two door, two seat (no rear) vehicles designed for spirited performance and nimble handling on road courses. The only true American sports cars are the Corvette (the original) and the Vipor. Camaros, Mustangs, Challengers, although becoming more 'sport-like', are pony/muscle cars

OK, I'll give you that, so sports cars have two seats & pony/muscle cars are Americanisms reserved for the Camaro, Mustang, Challenger. How are vehicles such as the BMW M4 & Lexus RC F defined? They're definitely more than GT cars.

[redcoats1976]

i have to say the grill on that lexus makes the 2019 SS look a little better to me.

[rontammy0]

Originally Posted by MrChrisLS3

You got banned? Wow, I don't remember reading anything of yours that was that far out of line, anyway.

335 from an N/A v6 is nothing to sneeze at, considering the Gen4 LS1 was 308hp and the C5 Corvette LS1 was 350hp. But yeah, some of that is going a little overboard. For example, that .5 0-60 translates into an eternity by the time you get to the 1320 mark, especially given the torque not to mention top end advantage. The only thing the Gen 6 v6 has over the 5th Gen SS is being about 300 lbs lighter, but that's not going to make up for the HP/Tq disadvantage.

Ya somebody reported me....i know who it was...actually a 5th gen guy. Thats ok....i can still go there and see whats up...just cant post.

[Gen6_1Le]

Originally Posted by Chevy Runs Deep

Yeah i wouldn't have wanted to piss off a Grand National with a Camaro in the 80s either

The LS3 is the faster than the L99, I've driven my cousins 2012 several times over the years. Rontammy0's is just well driven

Not bagging on the V6 6th gen, especially the 2lt as its a nice sporty car. It has a nicer interior for sure and feels lighter on its feet. It definetly has its place, just not in front of me in any straight line race.

Also would you really want an auto over a manual for your fun street car? I found the shifter and clutch to be excellent in the 6th gen SS and rev match makes traffic pretty livable. I would prefer auto for drag racing or urban DD. Manual or dct for road course or backroads.

Yeah i hated seeing a Grand National, they shocked a lot of people back then .
It was my 2010 Camaro SS that forced me into a manual ,i just didn't get along well with the automatic at all . The manual for me is just so much more enjoyable no matter where i am with it , i do use the rev match when traffic tightens up and its a great feature. If i wanted to drag race i think i would put a supercharger on my 20 year old blazer and plastic dip the whole car black and go out looking for one of those damn Grand Nationals .

[Chevy Runs Deep]

Me too. I just spent an 1.5 hrs pushing the clutch in and out thanks to Atlanta traffic. It sucked. I still wouldn't trade it for an auto for this car as its just more fun to me. I did find the 6th gen SS manual nimble and impressive to drive. Your 1LE is on another level from that! I am building my 35yr old drag car now and it will be stalled auto. I can't be mean enough to my 5th gens clutch and rear to beat it up at the strip and daily it.