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Old 05-07-2020, 07:59 PM   #1
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I have a 15 ss m6. Im currently headers, cai tune. He just had his mustang tuned with headers and the 2018 intake manifold. Hes an automatic. My car put down 435hp/447tq. He put down 440/385. We decided to do some pulls. Can someone explain to me how i still won? His car is geared better, lighter and put down more horsepower with an automatic. I guess it goes to show dyno numbers donít mean everything. My car is about 200lbs heavier. I do 154mph in 4th gear. I hear about coyotes trapping 118-120 with his mods. I donít understand it. He went to an extremely reputable tuner in a nj called jdm
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Old 05-08-2020, 11:04 AM   #2
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I have a 15 ss m6. Im currently headers, cai tune. He just had his mustang tuned with headers and the 2018 intake manifold. Hes an automatic. My car put down 435hp/447tq. He put down 440/385. We decided to do some pulls. Can someone explain to me how i still won? His car is geared better, lighter and put down more horsepower with an automatic. I guess it goes to show dyno numbers donít mean everything. My car is about 200lbs heavier. I do 154mph in 4th gear. I hear about coyotes trapping 118-120 with his mods. I donít understand it. He went to an extremely reputable tuner in a nj called jdm
Easy...he isn't putting down that hp thru an auto.
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Old 05-08-2020, 11:34 AM   #3
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I have a 15 ss m6. Im currently headers, cai tune. He just had his mustang tuned with headers and the 2018 intake manifold. Hes an automatic. My car put down 435hp/447tq. He put down 440/385. We decided to do some pulls. Can someone explain to me how i still won? His car is geared better, lighter and put down more horsepower with an automatic. I guess it goes to show dyno numbers donít mean everything. My car is about 200lbs heavier. I do 154mph in 4th gear. I hear about coyotes trapping 118-120 with his mods. I donít understand it. He went to an extremely reputable tuner in a nj called jdm

Torque wins races !! Whatís that saying ?. Hp measures how hard you hit the wall torque measures how far you go through it ..
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Old 05-09-2020, 05:31 AM   #4
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Easy...he isn't putting down that hp thru an auto.
I was arguing with the shop owner that he was full of shit. From what ive seen coyote gen 1s full bolt on usually dyno around 400-415whp. Driving these cars back to back its night and day. They rev to the moon but have zero low end. I could see how bigger gears would help them because the car does 80 in second gear shifting at 7800 rpm. I do 78mph in second at 6500 rpm haha These two cars are extremely fun to race, even with the ford having the extra intake manifold mod.
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Old 05-09-2020, 09:23 AM   #5
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I was arguing with the shop owner that he was full of shit. From what ive seen coyote gen 1s full bolt on usually dyno around 400-415whp. Driving these cars back to back its night and day. They rev to the moon but have zero low end. I could see how bigger gears would help them because the car does 80 in second gear shifting at 7800 rpm. I do 78mph in second at 6500 rpm haha These two cars are extremely fun to race, even with the ford having the extra intake manifold mod.
I have a friend with a fbo 5.0. Headers....boss intake ..cai and exhaust with a good tune from a Ford specific shop. He puts down 425 whp. He can cut a 1.9 sixty foot on street tires in that manual. His bottom end torque didnt suffer at all. His top end is fantastic with that Boss intake. I think he shifts at 8000 now at the track. He has 355 gears..the autos have 331s I believe.
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Old 05-09-2020, 01:29 PM   #6
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Torque wins races !! Whatís that saying ?. Hp measures how hard you hit the wall torque measures how far you go through it ..
Agree, your massive torque advantage is going to get you off the line more quickly and heís never going to catch back up with the small hp advantage or the gearing advantage he has.
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Old 05-09-2020, 03:32 PM   #7
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Agree, your massive torque advantage is going to get you off the line more quickly and heís never going to catch back up with the small hp advantage or the gearing advantage he has.
The 5.0 has great top end. The #s are pretty high for this car for his mods. He lost because he isn't making those whp #s. Equal cars with equal power numbers have the Mustang hard to beat up top.
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Old 05-10-2020, 12:20 AM   #8
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if he can keep the thing on the road..those s197 mustangs have 1970's suspension
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Old 05-16-2020, 06:35 PM   #9
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Sounds like you know how to drive a manual transmission.
LS3 5th gen Camaros with basic bolt-ons are very quick if the driver knows how to shift.
I've seen too many M6 Camaros lose a race because the driver is making a sandwich between the gears. Some people seem to think shifting at 5,000 RPM is optimal for performance too...
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Old 05-17-2020, 07:57 AM   #10
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Sounds like you know how to drive a manual transmission.
LS3 5th gen Camaros with basic bolt-ons are very quick if the driver knows how to shift.
I've seen too many M6 Camaros lose a race because the driver is making a sandwich between the gears. Some people seem to think shifting at 5,000 RPM is optimal for performance too...
The tr6060 is one of the most inconsistent shifting transmissions i've ever driven, at least in my car. I can't shift as fast as i want because i never know what it's gonna do. If i shift under 6200rpm it seems to shift faster and i get a grind going in, but there's no delay if i shift at 6800 it hit a brick wall for a split second before it will go in... then once in a blue moon i'll bet it to slide right in with 0 issue... but i'm not prepared for it to so i still don't get as fast a shift as i should have. This is mostly 1-2. And 2-3 shifts. So frustrating. My buddy had a muncy 4 speed in his 69 camaro and that thing would shift lightning fast like there wasn't even gears there...
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Old 05-18-2020, 04:06 AM   #11
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if he can keep the thing on the road..those s197 mustangs have 1970's suspension
On a "basic" level, as in solid axle, maybe, but not really.
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Old 05-29-2020, 07:17 PM   #12
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LS3/L99 > Coyote

Ask him how those high rev's and hp per cubic inch are helping him.
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Old 05-29-2020, 10:17 PM   #13
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the obvious answer is he has a ford
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Old 05-29-2020, 10:21 PM   #14
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The tr6060 is one of the most inconsistent shifting transmissions i've ever driven, at least in my car. I can't shift as fast as i want because i never know what it's gonna do. If i shift under 6200rpm it seems to shift faster and i get a grind going in, but there's no delay if i shift at 6800 it hit a brick wall for a split second before it will go in... then once in a blue moon i'll bet it to slide right in with 0 issue... but i'm not prepared for it to so i still don't get as fast a shift as i should have. This is mostly 1-2. And 2-3 shifts. So frustrating. My buddy had a muncy 4 speed in his 69 camaro and that thing would shift lightning fast like there wasn't even gears there...
that is a great description and i totally agree with you i had the same issues with mine.i loved the manual but it was a love hate situation
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