Camaro V6 vrs Cobalt SS???

[65bus]

Is there something that needs to be said about GM WOOHOOO maybie, finally getting all this cool stuff :party0038: . The new Cobalt SS is 260hp/260lbft gm says 0-60 in5.7 seconds but car and driver r&t says 0-60 in 5.5
(Cobalt SS 5.5,14.0@101.8) nd still gets 22-30 mpg
hope this isnt a But i had to share the news, oh ya also C&D said theres no comparison to the SS

Not real sure what the V6 Camaro will do but it sure will be interesting to find out being the Cobalts numbers
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...alt_ss_feature

[CamaroScotty]

That article fails to mention that the New Cobalt SS corners nearly 1G like the corvette....

Nice car - We delivered two already, to two students who won them in a mechanic's competition, courtesy of Chevy.

http://www.adamm.org/ANM32/absoluten...a=37&print=yes

[topgun1]

lucky kids!

[topgun1]

Originally Posted by CamaroScotty

That article fails to mention that the New Cobalt SS corners nearly 1G like the corvette....

From Edmunds Inside Line, gives a 0.89g skidpad acceleration.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do.../pageId=137007

[Beelzebubba]

From Edmunds Inside Line, gives a 0.89g skidpad acceleration.

cool.

Now, the Civic-boyees can be scared.

Civic Si = 0.897g skidpad acceleration

Eventually there will be a straightaway and almost 200 N/A hp is not going to save the Civic from it's 63 hp shortcoming

years of bowtie fans suffering through with the Cavalier may finally be rewarded (1999 Chevrolet Cavalier Z24 0.79 skidpad)

You can also (allegedly) kep your right foot buried in the throttle when you upshift. "No-lift shift"


But can I please have mine without that gawd-awful Super Ricer Pep Boys special rear spoiler?

At least it's not as bad as the Neon SRT/4's ass-wing

[Muscle Master]

I wish edmunds or somebody put it against the Caliber srt4, now thats a match I would pay to see, If I had money


now to be on topic, as long as you keep that stick handy, the maro has the edge

question: do the SS cobalt have a MT

[bouncertime]

Originally Posted by Beelzebubba

But can I please have mine without that gawd-awful Super Ricer Pep Boys special rear spoiler?

Yes, it is now just an option, they now come stock with the low spoiler.

[camaro_burns_all]

Originally Posted by Beelzebubba

cool.


Now, the Civic-boyees can be scared.

Civic Si = 0.897g skidpad acceleration

Eventually there will be a straightaway and almost 200 N/A hp is not going to save the Civic from it's 63 hp shortcoming

years of bowtie fans suffering through with the Cavalier may finally be rewarded (1999 Chevrolet Cavalier Z24 0.79 skidpad)

You can also (allegedly) kep your right foot buried in the throttle when you upshift. "No-lift shift"

But can I please have mine without that gawd-awful Super Ricer Pep Boys special rear spoiler?

At least it's not as bad as the Neon SRT/4's ass-wing

sorry buddy, but Honda Engineers are pushing 200hp in a N/A car. Turbo charge those new Civic Si, and they will be pushing near 300hp.

Turbo Cobalt vs Turbo Si, the Si will take it.

The only reason Honda doesn't boost there civic, because civics are known for longetivity and honda wants to keep it that way

[Angrybird 12]

Edmunds is one of the worst reviewers of cars ever. When the Sky and Solstice came out they claimed it took them 10 minutes to lower the top... LOL It can be done in less than 30 seconds.. I think these guys all HATE American cars with a passion... I vowed to never read another Edmunds review again.

[GMRULZ]

Originally Posted by camaro_burns_all

sorry buddy, but Honda Engineers are pushing 200hp in a N/A car. Turbo charge those new Civic Si, and they will be pushing near 300hp.

Turbo Cobalt vs Turbo Si, the Si will take it.

The only reason Honda doesn't boost there civic, because civics are known for longetivity and honda wants to keep it that way

The reason they don`t do it is compression. A NA car making high hp per liter is normally high compression. High compression does not lend itself well to boost. You may be able to run enough boost on the civic to run 300hp, but do you realize how much more boost the low compression Cobalt motor thats already at 260 can make? It will be a beast for what it is. Modded it will probably lay low a stock Camaro SS...

[jmliptak]

Originally Posted by GMRULZ

The reason they don`t do it is compression. A NA car making high hp per liter is normally high compression. High compression does not lend itself well to boost. You may be able to run enough boost on the civic to run 300hp, but do you realize how much more boost the low compression Cobalt motor thats already at 260 can make? It will be a beast for what it is. Modded it will probably lay low a stock Camaro SS...

I believe it was Motor Trend or C&D that recently did a test of cars for price, gas mileage, and performance and the SS won. It had a higher speed in the slalom than a Z51 Corvette and holds the record for a front wheel drive car at the Ring. The quote in the article said that to say it is the best handling front wheel drive car is an understatement, it is one of the best period.

Not bad for a car you can get with limited slip for $23k and change.

I have the SS/SC and love the thing, I get 32 mpg going back and forth to work, etc. But they did a lot of work on the Ring with the TC version and made it even better.

The beauty of the car is that it is much more V8 like in its performance, there is decent low end torque and little or no lag.

The Honda motor is a beautiful piece of work, but it is peaky engine that needs lot of revs. One of the other reviews said that if you get caught by a kid in his mom's van and you are at 3 grand, and not at 6 grand, he will lay you to waste.

Its a different philosophy and both have their place, but I love how Chevy has made the Cobalt SS (yes, you can get it without the ricer wing now thank goodness) drive more like a small block. My SS/SC has as much horspower but not as much torque as the TPI in my IROC, but the car is much smaller and pulls more Gs. The turbo takes it a step further.

[Beelzebubba]

Originally Posted by camaro_burns_all

sorry buddy, but Honda Engineers are pushing 200hp in a N/A car. Turbo charge those new Civic Si, and they will be pushing near 300hp.

Turbo Cobalt vs Turbo Si, the Si will take it.

The only reason Honda doesn't boost there civic, because civics are known for longetivity and honda wants to keep it that way

But there's just one problem.

You have to slap on that warranty killing aftermarket turbo.

The Si's handling and quality shone through vs the VW GTi overcoming it's torque shortcoming and truthfully, the S/C'd Cobalt was still a little short. It's going to need more than that vs a 260 hp turbo Cobalt

I would have purchased an Si to replace my 200,000 mile Integra GS-R except:

Honda priced me out. I have a hard enough time accepting the 21K sticker price and then the dealer's mark them up another 5-6K.

...and I wanted a new car and the Camaro was still just a concept.



Honda has not had good fortune with it's turbocharged engines.

The CX500T and CX650T were only marginally quicker than Yamaha's Turbo Seca. The Seca was wonderfully simple and a quick modification opened up a LOT more power (for a top heavy shaft driven air-cooled 2 valver) The Hondas were heavy and complex and the average tuner could not extract any more power from them. The Kawi GPz750 turbo came and ruined everybody's party by just dominating all.

The current RDX fuel consumption is as high as it's V6 competition. Published comparos continually pick the X3 and other crossovers like the CX9 over Honda's turbo luxury crossover.

[Rock36]

I am assuming the question here is which will perform better, the Camaro V6 or the Cobalt SS. I think the Cobalt SS will be the better performer all round. It might even have it in a straightline too.

The new Cobalt SS can do the 1/4 mile in 14.0 @ 101 mph. I don't see the Camaro V6 pulling a 14.0 @ 101 easily with its 3741 lbs of weight, and a 3.27:1 rear end.....even with 300 bhp. Could be close though.

I am just really impressed with the new Cobalt SS

[topgun1]

yeah, the Cobalt SS has really surprised me how well it performs.