Cadillac ATS Revealed! Official pics leak ahead of Detroit debut

[Texas Fright]

ATS might be in line but it still seems a a new less superior car will debut for the same cost. Of course being a first year car alot of people will want them but I can see the used CTS market staying pretty solid. I just don't see alot of people paying the same money for a car that is smaller and less powerful then the previous holder of the slot it's filling.

I'm just throwing the convertible out there, I did read somewhere a soft top is being developed for alter release but who knows what will come of that

[FenwickHockey65]

It's been canceled. Projected sales weren't high enough to justify it.

[Texas Fright]

Oh that sucks, good to know.

I'm just saying if it's the same as the CTS now 35k for a 200hp 4 cylinder powered Cadillac is a bit much. I'd rather spend 35k on a slightly used 3.6 CTS. Plus if that turbo 4 cylinder is anywhere as slow as the turbo Regal model then I wouldn't want it anyway.

[FenwickHockey65]

It'll probably be around $30ish to start.

The 2.0T in the ATS is a brand-new engine.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Texas Fright

Ok it's supposed to compete with the 3 series, which is around $34,500k to start. The 3.0 CTS already starts at $35,000. The cts seemed to sell well but still did not bridge the gap to bring german buyers over, how is this going to be better? Don't get me wrong, I like these and am interesting in getting rid of my cts for one but I still don't understand the 3 series claim. If the 2.0 200hp 4 cylinder ats that's smaller then a CTS debuts at 35k I don't see it being an equal car to the current 2012 270 hp 3.0 V6 CTS. It's going to be a smaller and slower car for the same money. Not to mention the BMW's base engine is 3.0 230hp v6 for $34,500. To compete and outsell the 3 series it's going to have to make the 2.0 under 30k, $29,500 and offer the turbo model for around $35k and the 3.6 should be right at $40k considering a 3.6 CTS can be bought for around 43k new. Hell now you can buy a new 335i bmw for the same as a new 3.6 CTS, Which i've driven both and if I had to choose a new one I'd take the 335i. That thing is quick and fun to drive.

Edit- On a side note I can see the ATS convertible doing well if they can get it to start at around 40k. Right now you can't get a base model 3 series convertible for less then 47k. Heck I can't thing of a nice luxury model convertible for under 45k.

The 2.0 is the turbo. The 200 hp naturally aspirated 4 banger is 2.5L.

What will it offer over the CTS? Well, probably better driving dynamics & fuel economy, plus a nicer interior. That and the fact that its new while the CTS is getting a little old. I'd also expect the CTS to get a significant price hike when the next generation of CTS comes in.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Texas Fright

Oh that sucks, good to know.

I'm just saying if it's the same as the CTS now 35k for a 200hp 4 cylinder powered Cadillac is a bit much. I'd rather spend 35k on a slightly used 3.6 CTS. Plus if that turbo 4 cylinder is anywhere as slow as the turbo Regal model then I wouldn't want it anyway.

50 more hp and about 200 fewer pounds will guarantee that the ATS turbo will be quicker than the Buick Regal.

[Texas Fright]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

The 2.0 is the turbo. The 200 hp naturally aspirated 4 banger is 2.5L.

What will it offer over the CTS? Well, probably better driving dynamics & fuel economy, plus a nicer interior. That and the fact that its new while the CTS is getting a little old. I'd also expect the CTS to get a significant price hike when the next generation of CTS comes in.

Yeah I meant 2.5, just put the wrong number. I get what your saying about a "fresh" car still how would you take them bringing out say a new camaro base model with alot nicer interior, better driving dynamics but say a 75hp less 4 cylinder as the base for the same price as the year before. I would have to say that owning my CTS has been nice but the gas mileage sucks and it rides like crap. Still they may get old but even at 6 years old it still gets alot of compliments, I think my 6 year cts looks fresher and nicer then about 60% of the new cars for sale at the lots now

Originally Posted by DGthe3

50 more hp and about 200 fewer pounds will guarantee that the ATS turbo will be quicker than the Buick Regal.

Since the turbo regal runs 16's it won't be hard to improve on that, but if it runs anything slower then a 14.8 then i won't be impressed.

[Kyle2k]

OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG.....OMG OMG OMG OMG

[69Z/28Camaro]

Fenwick, you are the greatest. I personally really like how the car looks, interior and exterior. Hope it can take down the 3-Series.

[FenwickHockey65]

Can't take credit for this one, Bruno beat me to it. That being said, whoever leaked these photos caused one hell of a cluster**** today. GM cannot be happy.

In any case, press conference and the official reveal is starting in a bit.

[FenwickHockey65]

Base center stack.



Rear seats

[rickerda]

Can we get a Chevelle on that platform?

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by rickerda

Can we get a Chevelle on that platform?

Probably not.

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by Texas Fright

Oh that sucks, good to know.

I'm just saying if it's the same as the CTS now 35k for a 200hp 4 cylinder powered Cadillac is a bit much. I'd rather spend 35k on a slightly used 3.6 CTS. Plus if that turbo 4 cylinder is anywhere as slow as the turbo Regal model then I wouldn't want it anyway.

As stated already, the 4 cylinder in the American ATS will be the turbo version, which is good for 270 HP, and for probably not too much more money you could go with the V6 good for 318 HP.

All of that in a car weighing around 3,400 lbs. As fenwick stated, will probably start in the lower 30s and I'm sure you could opt for the V6 at mid 30s.

The thing is, all of your remarks about this car have been performance oriented...when this car is NOT all about performance. Its about a combination of luxury and performance and it sure does offer lots of luxury if you want it, while still being a quick and fun car. Half of the buyers won't give two cents whether or not it is any faster than the CTS is (which the V6 certainly will be, and the turbo 4 won't be far off if at all) but what they will care about is the look, and the features.