02-15-2011, 09:33 PM | #15 |
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This is kinda spam at the moment because we don't know what the zl1 will do. We can however use the cts-v for a very good benchmark for it. The zl1 will most likely be a mid to low 12 second car trapping around 115. Hopefully it will be much better than that. As far as gt500 vs zl-1, right now on paper the odds are stacked against the zl1 due to the gt500 weighing only 3750lbs and the zl1 will most likely be over 4000lbs.
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02-15-2011, 10:16 PM | #16 | |
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Sorry, Rez....but this is one of my least favorite threads in this section so far...bold claims to make with absolutely no ammunition... You think they tested against the GT500 and put all this work into the ZL1 just to be "close" to the GT500? Noooooo.....expect it to be a very very sad snake... |
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02-15-2011, 11:55 PM | #17 |
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One thing that bother me a tad. Chevy showed the car a little too soon and tipped thier hand. Ford moves FAST, not like GM. They can get the few HP they need to surpass a ZL1 by Jan 2012. They can test against a CTS-V and say OK, we need lets say 25hp and 30lbs of TQ to take the ZL1, and get it done by the time the ZL1 ships.
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Another perfect example is the 2010 Camaro SS. You would think that it would spank a 300HP Mustang GT right? Wrong! There were many categories it lost and it lost to something with 100HP less. Based on your logic that's impossible - and yet the 2010 Camaro SS is a perfect example. No doubt that when GM drivers tested the 2010 Camaro SS - it beat the 300HP Mustang GT handedly in their own tests. They created the 2010 Camaro SS to beat the 300HP Mustang GT. I am making a prediction that history will repeat itself: the ZL-1 will be very close to the GT500, but not better nor worse than. |
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You are right though, Ford does move fast.. the 2007 GT500 was originally built to compete with the inevitable 5th Gen Camaro Z28 (now the ZL1 I guess) |
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02-16-2011, 12:32 AM | #22 |
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Well, I take that back... the Camaro is in the best position to sustain interest in the US sport coupe market so if it gets people moving I guess its cool... As a Ford fan, I am absolutely ecstatic that they showed early... Ford won't move their chess pieces until GM does.
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I still expect more HP than the CTS-V's current 556, unless they can somehow avoid the gas guzzler tax at the the estimated 550 HP number. |
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02-16-2011, 07:48 AM | #24 |
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Who would be willing to pay the gas guzzler tax for a significant HP increase over the 550 announced?
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I WOULD!!! We have the best chance at overcoming that, though. With the EPS, like that one the Shelby, some parasitic losses will be reduced, and what I believe to be probably slightly less restrictive intake and exhaust systems (in comparison to the LSA in the CTS-V), I think there could be a chance we could eek buy. I don't care if it doesn't though - that's just be icing on the cake
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02-16-2011, 10:49 AM | #27 |
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The original post assumes very close performance to the GT500; so close that a tester could fudge the results to go one way or the other. Even if the GT500 wins in some categories, I'm convinced that the ZL1 will tend to win more overall reviews.
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02-16-2011, 11:00 AM | #28 |
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I might give the GT500 an advantage in acceleration, but I really don't know about handling. Like everyone else - I have nothing to go by on that other than a gut feeling. What I DO know is, with the SC in CAMARO, finally, it will be super-easy to make more power on the cheap
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