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Old 10-13-2011, 02:51 PM   #141
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GM wants to make MONEY....
Traditions are lower on to totem pole these days.
No need for GM to make the car light or high revving like the 69.
They will slap some stickers on it like the 45th and SELL SELL SELL because you and I will BUY it because it says Z28...

IMHO Z28 will be a detuned ZL1 without mag ride.
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Old 10-13-2011, 03:00 PM   #142
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The sole, solitary reason to bring back a "true" Z/28 is as a streetable daily driver-able track car...PERIOD...

NO FORCED INDUCTION...PERIOD...

Light as possible, with the "necessities", without gingerbread or gold chain holders...PERIOD...

Ford "gets it"...witness the BOSS...in TWO flavors...

If it's gotta have an n/a Gen-6 over-475 hp DI, so be it...

If it's gotta have a boost-unfriendly LS7, so be it...

If it's gotta have MR, so be it...

But this car, known as and faithful to Z/28, is REQUIRED...

...and the sooner, the better...

There's no QUIT for this dawg! And there shouldn't be for GM/Camaro...
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Old 10-13-2011, 03:54 PM   #143
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The sole, solitary reason to bring back a "true" Z/28 is as a streetable daily driver-able track car...PERIOD...

NO FORCED INDUCTION...PERIOD...

Light as possible, with the "necessities", without gingerbread or gold chain holders...PERIOD...

Ford "gets it"...witness the BOSS...in TWO flavors...

If it's gotta have an n/a Gen-6 over-475 hp DI, so be it...

If it's gotta have a boost-unfriendly LS7, so be it...

If it's gotta have MR, so be it...

But this car, known as and faithful to Z/28, is REQUIRED...

...and the sooner, the better...

There's no QUIT for this dawg! And there shouldn't be for GM/Camaro...
Well said!
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Old 10-13-2011, 06:31 PM   #144
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I think we've seen the Z28 test mule the "ZL1 Track" car. Look real close and notice the changes from the ZL1 that are not part of the ZL1: induction hood(not typical for FI), no bottom aero, possible rear brake cooling, etc.
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Old 10-13-2011, 09:23 PM   #145
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The problem with DI, and the attendant development (increased c.r. etc.) is the final results are NOT mod-friendly... Witness the LLT. STILL no FI aftermarket apps (save STS) in wide usage because the BoschBox in NOT readily mod-able. Yes, a piggyback tune is a possibility, but the LLT is NOT nearly as mod-friendly as the LS...because a deviance too far in tuning in any direction, with high static compression, results in expen$ive paperweights...

Do NOT expect easy modding of the coming Gen-5 SBC...think LLT "locked-box"...
I think that is more of a market problem than a technical problem. For the most part, Cadillac owners (or Traverse owners or V6 Camaro owners or anyone else that owns an LLT) typically don't mod their cars. Yes, there are some but they represent a very small portion of the community.

Conversely, Camaro SS and Corvette owners kinda have a reputation for at least throwing some light mods on their car, like intake exhaust & tune.

Yeah, it might be harder to crack the ECU in the V6, in the same way its harder to get malware into a Mac ... but at the same time, there is way more money to be made if you can hack a PC, or in this case ... a V8, so why bother with the little guy?
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Old 10-14-2011, 11:04 AM   #146
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I think we've seen the Z28 test mule the "ZL1 Track" car. Look real close and notice the changes from the ZL1 that are not part of the ZL1: induction hood(not typical for FI), no bottom aero, possible rear brake cooling, etc.
to me that car looks like it was wrecked and stuck back together. you might be right but that's just what it looks like to me.
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Old 10-14-2011, 12:55 PM   #147
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This dawg has been run through the briars and the brambles...

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149090

Defined as either a 1SS with selected ZL1 content OR a de-contented/re-engined ZL1, with superior power-to-weight compared to a BOSS (which means at least 475 hp, normally aspirated), and undergoing "parallel development" with the ZL1 as we speak (front-opening hood scoop on one "ZL1" mule; who sez all those ZL1 mules have MR?) is far from out of the question...

MY '13/'14/'15 still await the Gen-5 Camaro...so there's still time for Z/28 maturation...

Ah-Ha! that makes total sense!
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Old 10-14-2011, 06:09 PM   #148
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to me that car looks like it was wrecked and stuck back together. you might be right but that's just what it looks like to me.
Look "real" close. The hood is held on with pins(?) strange. Then notice the hood is very wavy almost like quickly made fiberglass. Now look at the "new" opening in the hood, if you look real close it looks like there is a hood under/inside the cheap looking outside hood.
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Old 10-23-2011, 07:41 PM   #149
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Z28 is probably not out 'til 2015..
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Old 10-23-2011, 09:28 PM   #150
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Build your own version of a Z/28. Personally, I don't give a rats ass about the branding, marketing, or labels. I just want a Camaro that handles well on road and track and has serious power without engine falling apart with a little bit of boost pushed into it or reving too high.
The first thing I expect to hear / read once the ZL1 hits market is how many grenaged engines are left in the scrap yard, when people start changing pulleys and adjusting tunes.
You want a bad ass Z/28? Pick up a used Camaro, scrap the LS3 and put in an "IRON" forged 427 LSX, with LSX-LS7 heads and some boost or put in a crate LSX-454 NA and call it a day and be happy.
Just make sure you're involved with the build, ask lot's of questions, have regular meetings to discuss the challenges and issues, and do lot's of research.
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Old 10-24-2011, 01:43 AM   #151
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2013 Camaro Z-28
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6.2 LS3 w/ Dry sump (ala Gran Sport)
Z-28 Spec pads & Brake cooling
Z-28 Spec suspension ( tested at the Nurburgring...)
Z-28 Spec wheels & tires (20x9.5 / 20x10.5)
Z-28 Spec front splitter & Spoiler
Z-28 Recaro seat option*
Z-28 --Curb Weight / 3690 lbs--

--$42k MSRP--

Who's buying one ?

I would.
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Old 10-24-2011, 03:29 AM   #152
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2013 Camaro Z-28
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6.2 LS3 w/ Dry sump (ala Gran Sport)
Z-28 Spec pads & Brake cooling
Z-28 Spec suspension ( tested at the Nurburgring...)
Z-28 Spec wheels & tires (20x9.5 / 20x10.5)
Z-28 Spec front splitter & Spoiler
Z-28 Recaro seat option*
Z-28 --Curb Weight / 3690 lbs--

--$42k MSRP--

Who's buying one ?

I would.
Me too - if I don't get the zl1 first.
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Old 10-24-2011, 07:57 PM   #153
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The Z-28 IMHO needs to be Chevy's next debut. So much interest has been created in the Camaro product with the advent of the ZL1. There is a customer base wanting a performance vehicle that can't be satisfied. Not many will have their cravings fullfiled. The limited ZL1 supply will provide the stimulus for such a products success. Come on Chevy, fill that gap and bring us the Z-28. Please!
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Old 10-24-2011, 08:01 PM   #154
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Question, why would anyone want a Z28 built on this platform? Why not wait until the newer, supposedly lighter platform in the next Generation?
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