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Camaro V6 090692 · 01-17-2013, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

Yeah, I think a single would spool up very fast and make plenty of boost for an LLT. Again, they are expensive so if you go single there are cheaper options out there that will make just as much power and spool very well with both exhaust sides dumping into one turbo.

whats the best turbo that should be used though?

Camaro V6 090692 · 01-17-2013, 12:44 PM

as in size of the turbo.

GretchenGotGrowl · 01-17-2013, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Camaro V6 090692

whats the best turbo that should be used though?

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Originally Posted by Camaro V6 090692

as in size of the turbo.

I would use the manufacturers guide to make your best guess. If they say it is for engines up to 2 Liters then you know it's a bit small for our engine but will spool real fast. Two of those would be good. Once you get and idea of what size engine it was designed for you will have a good idea if you have enough exhaust to spool them. Then you can look at output. Higher the HP rating the more air it will flow and the more potential power you can make. Finally, look at the compressor map and see if you can find one with a large diagonal band running from bottom left to upper right. The longer and wider this is the more effecient it will be.

Most kits will have already done this work for you, so if you are going the kit route I wouldn't worry about it. If you are going custom route, then work with your builder to decide what's best.

Camaro V6 090692 · 01-17-2013, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

I would use the manufacturers guide to make your best guess. If they say it is for engines up to 2 Liters then you know it's a bit small for our engine but will spool real fast. Two of those would be good. Once you get and idea of what size engine it was designed for you will have a good idea if you have enough exhaust to spool them. Then you can look at output. Higher the HP rating the more air it will flow and the more potential power you can make. Finally, look at the compressor map and see if you can find one with a large diagonal band running from bottom left to upper right. The longer and wider this is the more effecient it will be.

Most kits will have already done this work for you, so if you are going the kit route I wouldn't worry about it. If you are going custom route, then work with your builder to decide what's best.

ah ok and if i wanted to go single what size would be best?

GretchenGotGrowl · 01-17-2013, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Camaro V6 090692

ah ok and if i wanted to go single what size would be best?

3-5 Liter engine with 500 HP output.

Camaro V6 090692 · 01-17-2013, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

3-5 Liter engine with 500 HP output.

Huh? what size turbo for a single turbo setup is what i was meaning?

GretchenGotGrowl · 01-17-2013, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Camaro V6 090692

Huh? what size turbo for a single turbo setup is what i was meaning?

Yes, looking at the manufacturers specs, try to find one they say is for an engine of between 3 and 5 liters in size, then look at the HP rating and pick one that is at least 500 HP. That should be in the ballpark. The actual specs for impeller and compressors sizes will vary from one manufacturer to another. For example my 6258 is made for cars up to 2.3 L and rated at about 450 HP. If I remember right Garret's 3532 is for about the same size engine but 400 HP. Just gotta do some research.

Camaro V6 090692 · 01-17-2013, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

Yes, looking at the manufacturers specs, try to find one they say is for an engine of between 3 and 5 liters in size, then look at the HP rating and pick one that is at least 500 HP. That should be in the ballpark. The actual specs for impeller and compressors sizes will vary from one manufacturer to another. For example my 6258 is made for cars up to 2.3 L and rated at about 450 HP. If I remember right Garret's 3532 is for about the same size engine but 400 HP. Just gotta do some research.

alright man. thanks for your help! btw whats the max boost the LLT will hold safely?

GretchenGotGrowl · 01-17-2013, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Camaro V6 090692

alright man. thanks for your help! btw whats the max boost the LLT will hold safely?

The high compression ratio probably limits you to 10-12 psi. The fuel limitation will probably keep you below that. Each turbo setup will flow a different volume of air for a given psi (lots of variables go into figuring this out). So, you may find a setup that pushes a lot of air at 8 psi will be all you can handle given the fuel limitations and another setup will not max out until 10 psi. The compressor maps will help you figure out how efficient it is (how much air it can push for a given psi among other things), but your overall flow will be impacted by the intercooler and piping as well. Lower psi means lower temperatures and lower pressure build up in the cylinders. Both of these are good.

nikos30 · 01-17-2013, 01:45 PM

be different and get both!

SC2150 · 01-17-2013, 03:34 PM

We have a local twin turbo LLT build with the same EFR's on Gretchens and he is spraying a 50 wet shop starting at 1500 rpm and it instantly spools them up and then the spray is boost referenced to shut off as soon as he is at 5-6# or so.

We would do a single EFR of that size for an LLT and have a killer quick spooling system that is affordable and still make all the power the LLT fuel system can handle.

The EFR's also have an internal bypass that keeps the turbine spinning between shifts so instant recovery. We dont push higher than 7K RPM's....all the power you need by then.

Sikoriko · 01-17-2013, 03:42 PM

To spool or not to spool

simt3k · 01-17-2013, 04:56 PM

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To spool or not to spool

Twin Screw fool

Jk!

Matt @ FSP · 02-01-2013, 07:47 PM

As per turbos, they must be spec'd properly for the size of the motor, efficiency range, max RPM, etc. Just make sure you go with someone that knows how to properly spec the turbo, tubing size, etc. The turbo will have more parts to it, will be a longer install, and will require more into the tuning considering no one has really mastered the Bosch ECU turbo systems.

However, going with the IPF kit you are ready to bolt-it on yourself in one day. Install the IPF provided tune, and away you go, no hassle, no worry. 100% reversible and something you can put on in your driveway. With the IPF kits, I can turn them in one day including baseline dyno, installation, lunch, and final dyno!

The choice if up to you at the end of the day.

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nikos30 HT5 EastSide Drives: 2010 Camaro 2LT Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: NJ/PA Posts: 1,596 View My Garage	be different and get both! __________________

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Camaro V6 090692 Drives: 2010 chevrolet camaro v6 Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Hickory, NC Posts: 57	as in size of the turbo.

01-17-2013, 03:34 PM	#53
SC2150 Account Suspended Drives: 2012 Camaro RS, RX supercharged Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Bradenton, FL Posts: 6,063	We have a local twin turbo LLT build with the same EFR's on Gretchens and he is spraying a 50 wet shop starting at 1500 rpm and it instantly spools them up and then the spray is boost referenced to shut off as soon as he is at 5-6# or so. We would do a single EFR of that size for an LLT and have a killer quick spooling system that is affordable and still make all the power the LLT fuel system can handle. The EFR's also have an internal bypass that keeps the turbine spinning between shifts so instant recovery. We dont push higher than 7K RPM's....all the power you need by then.

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Sikoriko Drives: 2011 V6 IOM Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: San Diego Posts: 1,385 View My Garage	To spool or not to spool

02-01-2013, 07:47 PM	#56
Matt @ FSP Drives: 2011 Camaro SS Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Bradenton, FL Posts: 2,610	As per turbos, they must be spec'd properly for the size of the motor, efficiency range, max RPM, etc. Just make sure you go with someone that knows how to properly spec the turbo, tubing size, etc. The turbo will have more parts to it, will be a longer install, and will require more into the tuning considering no one has really mastered the Bosch ECU turbo systems. However, going with the IPF kit you are ready to bolt-it on yourself in one day. Install the IPF provided tune, and away you go, no hassle, no worry. 100% reversible and something you can put on in your driveway. With the IPF kits, I can turn them in one day including baseline dyno, installation, lunch, and final dyno! The choice if up to you at the end of the day.