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pzero · 09-01-2020, 10:36 AM

Hate to pop your bubble but I kinda knew this was the direction GM would head to. Like it or not electric auto is here to stay. I have GM, Ford, and Tesla stocks and in past 10 years Tesla stocks been kicking GM and Fords ass not so much in 0-60 performance, but 0-2000 in dollar wise.

GM shifts Corvette engineers to electric program. I hope Corvette engineers come up with a kick ass EV for consumers. I also hope Ford will come up with kick ass EV for consumers too. I know Ford will introduce the all new mid-size Mustang Mach-E all electric real soon.

With all this electric stuff coming up, I only see our Z and other true American V-8 muscle cars value going up. At some point or another the auto manufacturers will discontinue the V-8. I'm not saying V-8 will not be around, but third party or after market V-8 makers will take up the slack. Want to hear your thoughts.

https://techcrunch.com/2020/08/28/gm...ctric%20future.

joelster · 09-01-2020, 10:59 AM

The death of the V-8 is certain. I think a big part of its demise wasn’t just electric stuff, but the Ford EcoBoost V-6. Once Ford started pumping them out it was hard to get an F150 with a V-8. I’d like to see the sales numbers of their trucks with the different engines. I also agree on our cars going up. They are the last of the breed for sure. You’ll never see an N/A engine over 400 cubes being built.

MIKZ28 · 09-01-2020, 02:08 PM

I will never buy or own an electric vehicle as long as I live. Combustion engines rule forever! Maybe not in speed or power but in character. I for one don't want a car with a speaker for an exhaust system.

2SSRS@Gen5diy · 09-01-2020, 02:22 PM

Good luck when you need to spend more then 1/2 the cost of the car as new to replace that battery that will start to lose reserves after 1 year.

69L48Z27 · 09-01-2020, 05:13 PM

$2.50/gal gas will keep EVs off the road for a while. As soon as gas hits $5 again, different story.

spyderbuddy · 09-01-2020, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 69L48Z27

$2.50/gal gas will keep EVs off the road for a while. As soon as gas hits $5 again, different story.

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ariZona28 · 09-01-2020, 05:37 PM

I used to say I wouldn't own a car built after '72. Then I said I wouldn't own a car with a computer. One of these "generic" new muscle cars? No frickin' way. Needless to say I have evolved. Nostalgia and sentimentality will always be a part of our hobby. We don't have to warmly embrace the new tech just use it to our advantage. On a side note look at the current level of enthusiasm for Flathead Fords. 100 year-old tractor technology. Whodda thunkit?

pzero · 09-01-2020, 10:12 PM

There will always be a handful of V-8 enthusiast, but I have a feeling, just my intuition, the next Z/28 out will be in 2025....Z/28e. Just like it's older brother the Vette will be all electric. IMO.

ariZona28 · 09-01-2020, 10:41 PM

I'm not so quick to jump on the "everything will be electric" bandwagon yet. True, tech is evolving thus working the bugs out of these new systems but GM has fumbled the ball before the goal line before. And let's not forget it was about 10 or so years ago EVERYTHING was going to be diesel and fuel would be nearly free since we were going to be using French fry grease. Sooner or later the power companies will charge accordingly for juice and we'll all get squeezed. I'm hoping for a leap in combustion engine efficiency coupled with a "next level" electric motor. Can you Imagine a supercharged hybrid that you never plug in? Best of both worlds. If the auto makers don't produce it the Hot Rod community will.

GeneRoss · 09-02-2020, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ariZona28

I'm not so quick to jump on the "everything will be electric" bandwagon yet. True, tech is evolving thus working the bugs out of these new systems but GM has fumbled the ball before the goal line before. And let's not forget it was about 10 or so years ago EVERYTHING was going to be diesel and fuel would be nearly free since we were going to be using French fry grease. Sooner or later the power companies will charge accordingly for juice and we'll all get squeezed. I'm hoping for a leap in combustion engine efficiency coupled with a "next level" electric motor. Can you Imagine a supercharged hybrid that you never plug in? Best of both worlds. If the auto makers don't produce it the Hot Rod community will.

I agree.

ICE and EV will be around together. The jury is yet to be out on EV.

Biergut · 09-02-2020, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ariZona28

I'm not so quick to jump on the "everything will be electric" bandwagon yet. True, tech is evolving thus working the bugs out of these new systems but GM has fumbled the ball before the goal line before. And let's not forget it was about 10 or so years ago EVERYTHING was going to be diesel and fuel would be nearly free since we were going to be using French fry grease. Sooner or later the power companies will charge accordingly for juice and we'll all get squeezed. I'm hoping for a leap in combustion engine efficiency coupled with a "next level" electric motor. Can you Imagine a supercharged hybrid that you never plug in? Best of both worlds. If the auto makers don't produce it the Hot Rod community will.

It's just a matter of time... before a nice looking EV blows us away on the street or track and the car enthusiast in you will say, "I gotta get me one"... it's only a matter of time before the extreme left progressives take lasting control in the USA and mandate EVs no matter whether it's good or bad... it's just a matter of time. There is no stopping it.
I have driven a Porsche Taycan and can say the future is not going to be "all" that bad. We're still only in the "Model T" era.

macalot · 09-02-2020, 10:20 AM

The difference between ICE and EV reminds me of coming through a WV tunnel in my Z/28 and have a very nice and fast 4 cylinder import come up alongside me. He squirts his nitrous and revs it. I look over, give him a thumbs up, then push in the clutch and give him some 427 thunder. The tunnel shakes! He looks over in awe and gives me a thumbs up. Nothing talks like ICE!!! No electric for me, regardless of the power differences. I never wanted to be the fastest, I want what makes my heart sing...

GeneRoss · 09-03-2020, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Biergut

It's just a matter of time... before a nice looking EV blows us away on the street or track and the car enthusiast in you will say, "I gotta get me one"... it's only a matter of time before the extreme left progressives take lasting control in the USA and mandate EVs no matter whether it's good or bad... it's just a matter of time. There is no stopping it.
I have driven a Porsche Taycan and can say the future is not going to be "all" that bad. We're still only in the "Model T" era.

It can be a matter of time but that doesn't necessarily mean it is the correct decision. Unfortunately incorrect decisions have been made before throughout history.

There is a lot of research to be done with EVs. And there a lot that people pushing EVs that don't tell you the whole story including health and environmental effects. They'll peddle this for profits and to get in the pockets of greedy politicians in it for their own gain (as you've alluded to).

Taycan is nice and so is the Tesla. The jury is still out on Tesla to begin with. Elon is great on twitter and great at hyping up the product. Let them be around for another 30 reasons first. I believe to re-tool a whole production line for EV production and change up you whole strategy on the fly can be catastrophic for GM.

JUSTIFIED · 10-02-2021, 10:17 AM

You can't stop progress and, eventually, EVs will rule the road. When, is hard to say. I remember 5 years ago "experts" were predicting it would occur by 2022. I laughed at that.

At some point, when they're affordable for the average person and battery range is significantly improved, most new cars likely will be EV, but it'll take a long time to clear the roadways of ICE cars. Also, as others have mentioned, combustion engines are becoming more and more efficient. If you can by a Honda Insight that gets 55 MPG (HWY) for $25k, it's a hard sell to convince same buyer to purchase an EV for $55K (avg. EV price).

I don't have an issue going EV at some point, just want to be able to get gas for my Z and motorcycle. Thankfully, gas stations aren't going away anytime soon.

09-01-2020, 10:36 AM	#1
pzero Drives: 2015 Camaro Z/28 #968 Silver Ice M Join Date: May 2019 Location: Houston Posts: 365	GM news about electric auto Hate to pop your bubble but I kinda knew this was the direction GM would head to. Like it or not electric auto is here to stay. I have GM, Ford, and Tesla stocks and in past 10 years Tesla stocks been kicking GM and Fords ass not so much in 0-60 performance, but 0-2000 in dollar wise. GM shifts Corvette engineers to electric program. I hope Corvette engineers come up with a kick ass EV for consumers. I also hope Ford will come up with kick ass EV for consumers too. I know Ford will introduce the all new mid-size Mustang Mach-E all electric real soon. With all this electric stuff coming up, I only see our Z and other true American V-8 muscle cars value going up. At some point or another the auto manufacturers will discontinue the V-8. I'm not saying V-8 will not be around, but third party or after market V-8 makers will take up the slack. Want to hear your thoughts. https://techcrunch.com/2020/08/28/gm...ctric%20future. __________________ Current Cars: 2008 Honda CRV 2.0L 2015 Chevy Z/28 7.0L 2016 Chevy Tahoe 5.3L Past Cars: 1976 Chevy Malibu Classic 5.7L 1985 Chevy 2DR 4x4 Blazer 5.7L 1989 Chevy IROC-Z 5.7L 1995 Chevy 2DR 4x4 Tahoe 5.7L 2005 Chevy 4DR Tahoe 5.3L

09-01-2020, 10:59 AM	#2
joelster Drives: '94 Z28+ '15 Z/28 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Cheektowaga, NY Posts: 1,282	The death of the V-8 is certain. I think a big part of its demise wasn’t just electric stuff, but the Ford EcoBoost V-6. Once Ford started pumping them out it was hard to get an F150 with a V-8. I’d like to see the sales numbers of their trucks with the different engines. I also agree on our cars going up. They are the last of the breed for sure. You’ll never see an N/A engine over 400 cubes being built. __________________ 1973 Mach 1, 351C cruiser '15 Z/28 Red Hot, A/C 1980 Z28- resto-mod project 1979 Y84 Trans Am 1986 IROC-Z

09-01-2020, 05:37 PM	#7
ariZona28 Give speed a chance Drives: 2015 Camaro 2LS, 2015 Camaro Z/28 Join Date: Nov 2019 Location: Mesa, Az Posts: 2,232	I used to say I wouldn't own a car built after '72. Then I said I wouldn't own a car with a computer. One of these "generic" new muscle cars? No frickin' way. Needless to say I have evolved. Nostalgia and sentimentality will always be a part of our hobby. We don't have to warmly embrace the new tech just use it to our advantage. On a side note look at the current level of enthusiasm for Flathead Fords. 100 year-old tractor technology. Whodda thunkit? __________________ 2LS: a TREMENDOUS machine. Z/28: it's a BIT MORE POWERFUL, of course.

09-01-2020, 10:12 PM	#8
pzero Drives: 2015 Camaro Z/28 #968 Silver Ice M Join Date: May 2019 Location: Houston Posts: 365	There will always be a handful of V-8 enthusiast, but I have a feeling, just my intuition, the next Z/28 out will be in 2025....Z/28e. Just like it's older brother the Vette will be all electric. IMO. __________________ Current Cars: 2008 Honda CRV 2.0L 2015 Chevy Z/28 7.0L 2016 Chevy Tahoe 5.3L Past Cars: 1976 Chevy Malibu Classic 5.7L 1985 Chevy 2DR 4x4 Blazer 5.7L 1989 Chevy IROC-Z 5.7L 1995 Chevy 2DR 4x4 Tahoe 5.7L 2005 Chevy 4DR Tahoe 5.3L

09-01-2020, 10:41 PM	#9
ariZona28 Give speed a chance Drives: 2015 Camaro 2LS, 2015 Camaro Z/28 Join Date: Nov 2019 Location: Mesa, Az Posts: 2,232	I'm not so quick to jump on the "everything will be electric" bandwagon yet. True, tech is evolving thus working the bugs out of these new systems but GM has fumbled the ball before the goal line before. And let's not forget it was about 10 or so years ago EVERYTHING was going to be diesel and fuel would be nearly free since we were going to be using French fry grease. Sooner or later the power companies will charge accordingly for juice and we'll all get squeezed. I'm hoping for a leap in combustion engine efficiency coupled with a "next level" electric motor. Can you Imagine a supercharged hybrid that you never plug in? Best of both worlds. If the auto makers don't produce it the Hot Rod community will. __________________ 2LS: a TREMENDOUS machine. Z/28: it's a BIT MORE POWERFUL, of course.

09-01-2020, 02:08 PM	#3
MIKZ28 Drives: 2015 Camaro Z/28 #311 Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Roscoe, IL Posts: 133	I will never buy or own an electric vehicle as long as I live. Combustion engines rule forever! Maybe not in speed or power but in character. I for one don't want a car with a speaker for an exhaust system.

09-01-2020, 02:22 PM	#4
2SSRS@Gen5diy Drives: 2014 Z/28 #82+#192, 18ZLE 66Nova Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: By the lake in AZ Posts: 15,719 View My Garage	Good luck when you need to spend more then 1/2 the cost of the car as new to replace that battery that will start to lose reserves after 1 year.

09-01-2020, 05:13 PM	#5
69L48Z27 Drives: 2015 Z/28; 1969 Camaro SS Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: York, PA Posts: 805	$2.50/gal gas will keep EVs off the road for a while. As soon as gas hits $5 again, different story.

09-02-2020, 10:20 AM	#12
macalot Drives: 1969 Z/28 + 2015 Z/28 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Pittsburgh Area, Pa Posts: 534	The difference between ICE and EV reminds me of coming through a WV tunnel in my Z/28 and have a very nice and fast 4 cylinder import come up alongside me. He squirts his nitrous and revs it. I look over, give him a thumbs up, then push in the clutch and give him some 427 thunder. The tunnel shakes! He looks over in awe and gives me a thumbs up. Nothing talks like ICE!!! No electric for me, regardless of the power differences. I never wanted to be the fastest, I want what makes my heart sing... __________________ You know you are having fun when you are getting 3.4 mpg !!

10-02-2021, 10:17 AM	#14
JUSTIFIED Drives: 2015 black Z/28 Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Texas Posts: 1,077	You can't stop progress and, eventually, EVs will rule the road. When, is hard to say. I remember 5 years ago "experts" were predicting it would occur by 2022. I laughed at that. At some point, when they're affordable for the average person and battery range is significantly improved, most new cars likely will be EV, but it'll take a long time to clear the roadways of ICE cars. Also, as others have mentioned, combustion engines are becoming more and more efficient. If you can by a Honda Insight that gets 55 MPG (HWY) for $25k, it's a hard sell to convince same buyer to purchase an EV for $55K (avg. EV price). I don't have an issue going EV at some point, just want to be able to get gas for my Z and motorcycle. Thankfully, gas stations aren't going away anytime soon. __________________