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Black_SS10 · 02-25-2019, 06:10 PM

So having issues with my clutch/trans. I cannot disengage the clutch. I just installed a new clutch master and it didn't help. I installed a brand new slave with monster support when I installed the Mantic 9000. So I am going to pull the trans sometime in the near future and figure out whats going on. While the trans is out I thought, why not rebuild it. I found a reputable local trans shop that will charge $600 labor, I must provide the parts. I would upgrade and not do a factory rebuild. I have looked at transmission rebuilds offered by RPM and Tick. They seem pricey, although some of their builds come with the Gforce output shaft. Anyone have thoughts?

V8only · 02-25-2019, 06:39 PM

600 labor is WAY too much. (unless that includes pulling the trans out) I build on the side and charge only $250 (when I have time to do one). However even the pro shops here charge $300 for one and $400 labor for the other. I would shop around. Additionally, the upgrades are minor, unless you're getting the gears cryo treated and what not. Billet 1/2 keys and bronze shift fork tabs are the big upgrades, and those are cheap. Carbon fiber synchros too

Black_SS10 · 02-25-2019, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by V8only

600 labor is WAY too much. (unless that includes pulling the trans out) I build on the side and charge only $250 (when I have time to do one). However even the pro shops here charge $300 for one and $400 labor for the other. I would shop around. Additionally, the upgrades are minor, unless you're getting the gears cryo treated and what not. Billet 1/2 keys and bronze shift fork tabs are the big upgrades, and those are cheap. Carbon fiber synchros too

I'll have to shop around more. Because around here everyone wants more than $600 to rebuild a tr6060. And, yes that is with me pulling it myself. I am gonna do all the upgrades that you mentioned. Guess I need to look more. I thought $600 was a pretty good deal. Thanks for your input!

V8only · 02-27-2019, 05:48 PM

how does the trans shift with the motor off? Typically a trans should shift with the motor ON no differently then with it off, as having your foot on the clutch pedal is no different then having the engine turned off. If it shifts through all the gears with the motor off, the trans isn't the issue, unless it's something like the input shaft locked into a bad pilot bearing and constantly spinning even when disengaged

Black_SS10 · 02-27-2019, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by V8only

how does the trans shift with the motor off? Typically a trans should shift with the motor ON no differently then with it off, as having your foot on the clutch pedal is no different then having the engine turned off. If it shifts through all the gears with the motor off, the trans isn't the issue, unless it's something like the input shaft locked into a bad pilot bearing and constantly spinning even when disengaged

I know this. I need to pull the trans in order to fix why I cannot disengage the clutch. I believe the new slave I installed has an internal leak. Since I have to pull the trans, I figured I would get it rebuilt while it was out. Found a shop that will rebuild for $2100 labor, parts, and shipping.

Black_SS10 · 03-02-2019, 11:31 AM

Well, today I pulled the trans and found my problem. It is my Mantic twin clutch. One of springs on the clutch disc, pressure plate side, came off and lodge between the disc and pressure plate fingers. Found another spring loose and another lodge crooked. This caused the slave to start leaking as well. Input shaft was wet. I have no idea how this even happened. I haven't raced or launched the car since I installed the clutch a few months ago. It was fine until it wasn't. Waiting to hear back from Mantic, see what can be done. Sending the trans to get a rebuild with some upgraded goodies.

Black_SS10 · 03-05-2019, 04:10 PM

Added pics

Black_SS10 · 03-09-2019, 02:37 PM

Recieved my new Mantic clutch today. Looking forward to the install. Just waiting on my trans.

zlathim · 03-18-2019, 11:46 AM

Did Mantic warranty the failed unit? I'm curious to hear how they were to deal with on this issue.

Black_SS10 · 03-20-2019, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by zlathim

Did Mantic warranty the failed unit? I'm curious to hear how they were to deal with on this issue.

I have a feeling they would have. But, unfortunately I couldnt find my invoice. Nonetheless, got a great deal on a new one. I went directly though Mantic USA. Geoff was great to deal with and answered all my questions.

zlathim · 03-20-2019, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Black_SS10

I have a feeling they would have. But, unfortunately I couldnt find my invoice. Nonetheless, got a great deal on a new one. I went directly though Mantic USA. Geoff was great to deal with and answered all my questions.

Glad you got it squared away.

olblue75 · 03-20-2019, 07:58 PM

What new upgrades did you get and where did you get them?

Black_SS10 · 03-23-2019, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by olblue75

What new upgrades did you get and where did you get them?

If you're asking about the transmission. I ordered everything from Tick. I got carbon fiber blocker rings with full carbon fiber on 1-4 and hybrid for the rest, bronze fork pads, bronze shifter cup, and a zr1 pickup tube.

02-25-2019, 06:10 PM	#1
Black_SS10 SomeguyK Drives: 2010 Black 2SS/RS Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: FL Posts: 1,947	Clutch woes....added pictures So having issues with my clutch/trans. I cannot disengage the clutch. I just installed a new clutch master and it didn't help. I installed a brand new slave with monster support when I installed the Mantic 9000. So I am going to pull the trans sometime in the near future and figure out whats going on. While the trans is out I thought, why not rebuild it. I found a reputable local trans shop that will charge $600 labor, I must provide the parts. I would upgrade and not do a factory rebuild. I have looked at transmission rebuilds offered by RPM and Tick. They seem pricey, although some of their builds come with the Gforce output shaft. Anyone have thoughts? __________________ TMS 427, Dart iron Block, Forged assembly, Frankenstien heads, AGP TT 62/62 BB turbo's, AGP/Fore triple fuel system, Tilton clutch, Holley 1 7/8 shorties, Technostalgia tail lights,Oracle, Aeroforce, MGW shifter,Flowmaster, Pegasus subframe bushings,BMR trailing & toe arms,Z28 UCA bushings,Zl1 rear sway bar,Prothane,BMR,Goodridge brake lines,Ridetech HQ coilovers,3.91,Trutrac,billet caps,DSS axles,HE offest,built TR6060,1LE diffuser,Havoc spoiler,SSclones,20in MRR 017, Pirelli P Zero, Nitto NT555RII More to come. Last edited by Black_SS10; 03-05-2019 at 04:13 PM.

02-25-2019, 06:39 PM	#2
V8only Drives: 2012 camaro 45th 2ss/rs Centri SC Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: So cal Posts: 136	600 labor is WAY too much. (unless that includes pulling the trans out) I build on the side and charge only $250 (when I have time to do one). However even the pro shops here charge $300 for one and $400 labor for the other. I would shop around. Additionally, the upgrades are minor, unless you're getting the gears cryo treated and what not. Billet 1/2 keys and bronze shift fork tabs are the big upgrades, and those are cheap. Carbon fiber synchros too __________________ Jeremy -2012 Camaro SS 45th M6-Kraftwerks Supercharger -2003 Avalanche z71-6" on 35's. DD 290k miles -66 mustang fuel injected resto-mod

02-27-2019, 05:48 PM	#4
V8only Drives: 2012 camaro 45th 2ss/rs Centri SC Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: So cal Posts: 136	how does the trans shift with the motor off? Typically a trans should shift with the motor ON no differently then with it off, as having your foot on the clutch pedal is no different then having the engine turned off. If it shifts through all the gears with the motor off, the trans isn't the issue, unless it's something like the input shaft locked into a bad pilot bearing and constantly spinning even when disengaged __________________ Jeremy -2012 Camaro SS 45th M6-Kraftwerks Supercharger -2003 Avalanche z71-6" on 35's. DD 290k miles -66 mustang fuel injected resto-mod

03-02-2019, 11:31 AM	#6
Black_SS10 SomeguyK Drives: 2010 Black 2SS/RS Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: FL Posts: 1,947	Well, today I pulled the trans and found my problem. It is my Mantic twin clutch. One of springs on the clutch disc, pressure plate side, came off and lodge between the disc and pressure plate fingers. Found another spring loose and another lodge crooked. This caused the slave to start leaking as well. Input shaft was wet. I have no idea how this even happened. I haven't raced or launched the car since I installed the clutch a few months ago. It was fine until it wasn't. Waiting to hear back from Mantic, see what can be done. Sending the trans to get a rebuild with some upgraded goodies. __________________ TMS 427, Dart iron Block, Forged assembly, Frankenstien heads, AGP TT 62/62 BB turbo's, AGP/Fore triple fuel system, Tilton clutch, Holley 1 7/8 shorties, Technostalgia tail lights,Oracle, Aeroforce, MGW shifter,Flowmaster, Pegasus subframe bushings,BMR trailing & toe arms,Z28 UCA bushings,Zl1 rear sway bar,Prothane,BMR,Goodridge brake lines,Ridetech HQ coilovers,3.91,Trutrac,billet caps,DSS axles,HE offest,built TR6060,1LE diffuser,Havoc spoiler,SSclones,20in MRR 017, Pirelli P Zero, Nitto NT555RII More to come. Last edited by Black_SS10; 03-02-2019 at 01:42 PM.

03-05-2019, 04:10 PM	#7
Black_SS10 SomeguyK Drives: 2010 Black 2SS/RS Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: FL Posts: 1,947	Added pics Attached Images __________________ TMS 427, Dart iron Block, Forged assembly, Frankenstien heads, AGP TT 62/62 BB turbo's, AGP/Fore triple fuel system, Tilton clutch, Holley 1 7/8 shorties, Technostalgia tail lights,Oracle, Aeroforce, MGW shifter,Flowmaster, Pegasus subframe bushings,BMR trailing & toe arms,Z28 UCA bushings,Zl1 rear sway bar,Prothane,BMR,Goodridge brake lines,Ridetech HQ coilovers,3.91,Trutrac,billet caps,DSS axles,HE offest,built TR6060,1LE diffuser,Havoc spoiler,SSclones,20in MRR 017, Pirelli P Zero, Nitto NT555RII More to come.

03-09-2019, 02:37 PM	#8
Black_SS10 SomeguyK Drives: 2010 Black 2SS/RS Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: FL Posts: 1,947	Recieved my new Mantic clutch today. Looking forward to the install. Just waiting on my trans. __________________ TMS 427, Dart iron Block, Forged assembly, Frankenstien heads, AGP TT 62/62 BB turbo's, AGP/Fore triple fuel system, Tilton clutch, Holley 1 7/8 shorties, Technostalgia tail lights,Oracle, Aeroforce, MGW shifter,Flowmaster, Pegasus subframe bushings,BMR trailing & toe arms,Z28 UCA bushings,Zl1 rear sway bar,Prothane,BMR,Goodridge brake lines,Ridetech HQ coilovers,3.91,Trutrac,billet caps,DSS axles,HE offest,built TR6060,1LE diffuser,Havoc spoiler,SSclones,20in MRR 017, Pirelli P Zero, Nitto NT555RII More to come.

03-18-2019, 11:46 AM	#9
zlathim Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS M6 Join Date: May 2009 Location: Idaho Posts: 726	Did Mantic warranty the failed unit? I'm curious to hear how they were to deal with on this issue. __________________ GPI SS2; EE E2 catch can; SP 1 7/8" LT Headers w/ hfc; FM AT 3" cat-back; CAI Cold Air Intake; AEM Wideband Tuned by GPI McCleod RXT; MGW flat stick; Ram Clutch slave cylinder & hydraulic adjuster BMR cradle & diff bushings, trailing arms, toe rods & upper control arm bushings Hotchkis sub-frame brace Stop Tech Z-23 brakes 4.10 gears, Eaton Truetrac, LPW diff cover Best 1/4 mile 12.073 @ 115.68 mph 3,300 ft DA

03-20-2019, 07:58 PM	#12
olblue75 Drives: 2010 2SS/RS Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Clarksville Tennesse. Posts: 6,064	What new upgrades did you get and where did you get them? __________________ Orange Krush II 1LE Front sway bar, Splitter, shocks and struts, Z28 dual mode mufflers, Intake, UCA Bushings, and Toresen 3.91 Diff. 1 piece DSS Drive Shaft, ZL1/C7 Calipers, and 32mm JPSS Rear Bar. ASC race spec splitter and wicker. 6th Gen M017 Wheels. Stainless Works 1 7/8 LTs. DSE and PAFDT Suspension components.