Anybody taken on an SRT8 Challenger?

[GatorBlue371]

Originally Posted by Sleestack

The Challenger R/T is misquoted in many places as weighing 4140, which is the weight of the SRT8. The R/T lacks the brembos, heavier duty suspension, cast intake, and beefier internals of the SRT8, so naturally it is lighter than 4140 lbs. Much closer to 4030lbs, depending on options. Still, on a good track, good driver, good conditions I would expect a stock run in the mid 13's from the 376 HP Challenger R/T.

not trying to come in here and stir things up, but a few months back I took out an R/T with a buddy of mine who has a GT .

Boy did that GT make the R/T feel slow. It made the R/T pointless... too big, too slow, handles like a boat. Only thing its got going for it is the looks.

[DeathChill]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

not trying to come in here and stir things up, but a few months back I took out an R/T with a buddy of mine who has a GT .

Boy did that GT make the R/T feel slow. It made the R/T pointless... too big, too slow, handles like a boat. Only thing its got going for it is the looks.

Stock GT? What year? I *think* with a good driver the R/T would win against any year but the 2010.

[Red Hot SS]

My opinions:

Camaro SS>Challenger SRT8>Challenger R/T>Mustang GT>Camaro V6

I thought this was pretty widely accepted by the street racing world, but I guess not.

Eh, at least we all beat the ricers.

[Lee9710]

That was also my assessment as well as everyone else I know that goes to the track here. In my opinion the driver error excuse is getting old if the car is an auto. Stomp the gas and it goes.......if you can't handle that then don't race it. I could see some driver error on the stick or with the paddle shifters, but that is it. Im not saying that any of these cars are slow. I am very happy to have some good ol' American Muscle back in the mix, but the SS is King for now out of the GT Stang, Challys, and Chargers. We will see what happens when and if the 5.0 goes into the GT, but by then most SS's will be modded anyway. Im leaning towards a supercharger as soon as the performance numbers are released and steady.

[Sleestack]

Originally Posted by Red Hot SS

My opinions:

Camaro SS>Challenger SRT8>Challenger R/T>Mustang GT>Camaro V6

I thought this was pretty widely accepted by the street racing world, but I guess not.

Eh, at least we all beat the ricers.

Agree, but the price point of the GT500 is very close to the SRT8....

GT500>Camaro SS>Challenger SRT8>Challenger R/T>Mustang GT>Camaro V6

[Lee9710]

I was thinking to add the GT500 to the front also.....and maybe a Camaro SS > or = Chally SRT-8 since the races have been so close so far.

Hey Sleestack, a bit off topic but how do you decide which car to drive everyday? I have a heavily modded 97 Trans Am and have a hard time deciding whether to take that out or my 2SS.

[Ninjak]

Originally Posted by Sleestack

Agree, but the price point of the GT500 is very close to the SRT8....

GT500>Camaro SS>Challenger SRT8>Challenger R/T>Mustang GT>Camaro V6

I agree on the pecking order, but I will add that I think a GT vs a RT is a drivers race..Well a 2010 GT, and a Bullit. A stock 05~09 GT may have issues....not so sure there.

[HEMI DAVE]

But then again the SS auto has only 400 HP so........

Mustang GT500> Camaro SS manual > Challenger SRT8 >Camaro SS auto > Challenger R/T > Mustang GT

[Lee9710]

Originally Posted by HEMI DAVE

But then again the SS auto has only 400 HP so........

GT500>SS manual>SRT8>SS auto>R/T>GT

But the SS Auto is as quick or quicker than the manual. The L99 is more aggressive than the LS3. The 426 HP vs. 400 HP debate on this car means nothing. The Auto puts out the same power with 400 HP that the manual does at 426 HP. Different engine and different engine set up. The Auto edges out the manual in 0-60 by like .1 or .2 and the manual in the 1/4 by like .1 so that doesn't matter a bit.

Everytime I get on now it seems like HemiDave is trying his hardest to make a Dodge one step ahead of this Camaro. Do some more research on this car please......not trying to be a d**k but I have never even owned a Dodge and I know everything there is to know about the Challenger and Charger. I educated myself before buying my 2SS to get the best bang for the money besides buying a GT500. The L99 is not an inferior engine to the LS3........not just for this thread but for everyone that keeps debating it. And the 370Z could go right under the SS as quicker than the Dodge's since it is the direct competition. Dont like the car but it is pretty quick.

[HEMI DAVE]

True...the SS auto is geared to make up for its HP shortage but past 1/4 mile its gonna get owned by a 6 speed SS or SRT8 auto/6 speed. The SS auto is more like a Challenger R/T.

Thats one thing I think GM screwed up on ...pay more for the SS auto and get less bang for the buck..

What the hell were they thinking...at least give it the same horsepower?

[Lee9710]

Thats not true at all. The Auto SS has been beating SRT's all day just as the manual. It is essentially the exact same car with the same power although rated differently. The SS Auto is identical minus the transmission. I have the Auto SS and can tell you personally. I have no performance issues and have been running 5.0 to 5.1 0-60 times in 100 + degree heat with an engine not broken in yet. When I get to about 3k to 5k miles I will hit the advertised 4.7 to 4.8 times. I have also seen a manual and an auto SS race many times at the speedway in Charlotte and it depended on the driver for the win. A SS anything is still greater than the R/T and just a little bit over the SRT version. And after the 1/4 wouldn't be an issue with the manual SS or SRT either. Auto SS = Manual SS........SAME CAR PERIOD. Where do you get your info?

[HEMI DAVE]

I used simple math ...I cant see how an SS auto is just as fast as as a manual that has 26 HP more...you know...that power to weight thing. I bet the autos are heavier.

Then again you only race to 1/4 mile...I said after a 1/4 mile your car will get owned by a manual SS......its the faster more powerful car ...I dont think there is any question about that

[Sleestack]

Originally Posted by Lee9710

Hey Sleestack, a bit off topic but how do you decide which car to drive everyday? I have a heavily modded 97 Trans Am and have a hard time deciding whether to take that out or my 2SS.

Easy for me since the cars are similar but so different.

Flip flops, or my 2 toddlers with me, or heavy traffic = SRT8
Solo thru Hill country = GT500

[Lee9710]

It isn't faster. Just because a car has more HP doesnt make it faster. My Trans Am has 425 HP but is dogging GT500s. It is the way the car is set up. The Auto is set up a little different to compensate for the NEW engine in the auto. Every number the Auto SS and Manual SS has are virtually identical in every way except for a .1 or .2 difference in a couple categories. Your math may seem to make sense but that has nothing to do with the end result. A V6 Camaro has about 304 HP and a GT Mustang as 315. So if your Math is right with the HP numbers, the V6 can keep up with the Stang. No way in hell unless the Stang has a bad run in which any car could do this and get beat. A SS could beat a GT500 on a horrible run. But to say that the Auto SS is inferior to the Manual SS is just ignorant. I had a 2005 GTO Auto and people used to say that about that car too until they realized it was the same car with a .2 diff in the 1/4. Your claim that an Auto SS is like a R/T is insane. There is no performance advantage over the L99 besides aftermarket upgrades and the fun of driving a stick. Ask anyone knowledgeable on this car.