11-27-2015, 12:41 PM | #15 | |
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The short answer ... no. Unless you provide a vacuum to the exhaust bypass valves and the means to control the application of that vacuum (e.g., through a solenoid valve), you will not be able to use the Mild2Wild or the Forza controller. I mentioned earlier about using the Xforce exhaust system. When you go to their website, they sorta push the entire cat back system for the Camaro. But, they also have the muffler only. You can get two of the Varex mufflers that include the valves and the means to control them without vacuum. Click here to see more info. Regards, Steve |
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11-27-2015, 01:09 PM | #16 |
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My .02: Buy a good aftermarket system. It will be much less hassle and you have more options for picking the sound level you are looking for. I say this as nothing more that feedback as I could get both systems for you.
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Controlling the valves isn't paramount for me, just preferred, so I may just get the bolt-ons for NPP. Could you PM me with some pricing options?
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11-27-2015, 06:51 PM | #18 | |
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This might solve the NPP control option. http://www.maperformance.com/varex-m...e-xf-vk01.html
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11-27-2015, 10:08 PM | #19 | |
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11-27-2015, 10:17 PM | #20 |
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Steve I appreciate your input, however should I decide that I care about the NPP that much, I can make it work in my application with the electric actuators from that very muffler. So for roughly 100 bucks I can get a devise that opens and closes my flap by remote control. At the least it will give me an idea. Basically all you need is a mechanism to close a simple trap door either by vacuum or by electricity. When I wrap my mind to it even if I have to use stuff from RC planes to make the flaps open when I want them to, I can make it work. Like I said I really don't care of the factory application of the NPP. Like the original poster posted, It will be nice to have it quite once in a while say early morning - That possibility is why some of us think NPP. For example if I went with Corsa, it will be technically open all the time so will the NPP unless I decide to do something about it and for now it is not really an issue but thinking about it and discussing it is getting my creative juices flowing. Once again Steve "Never say Never"
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11-27-2015, 10:45 PM | #21 |
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There was a thread a couple of years ago that a guy used a corvette headlight vacuum switch to control his flaps. I don't remember what section it was in but said he had less than a 100 bucks in it, if I remember correctly...
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11-27-2015, 10:49 PM | #22 | |
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11-29-2015, 02:42 AM | #23 | ||
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What you linked doesn't seem like it will make NPP work on it's own, which is primarily what I'm looking for since I'm not the most mechanically savvy Camaro owner. Quote:
I now understand that it is vacuum controlled, and the engine must be compromised in order for it to function. That is not a length that I am willing to go to, so bolted-on NPP is the road that I'll be taking. Thanks for the great input!
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11-29-2015, 09:05 AM | #25 |
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WOW FORZASTEVE laid it out out well and thank you for that. There have been over time many who tried retro fitting and if a guy wants to read up the threads are on here, and theres how to make your own actuators but yes the GEN5 Camaro does use vacuum unlike the new gen 6 which is electrical activated. AND also its programmed ... SO hey I am glad someone got something out of your valuable time, AND I love my friggin exhaust..... LOL Frankly I always thought some people should just use some electric cutouts and regular mufflers.........And did not know how involved retrofitting NPP was....
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11-29-2015, 10:40 AM | #26 | |
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Personally, I was going to get the quad tips one way or the other. Sound wise I would not have cared if my vehicle came with factory quad tips even if it sounded just as it does now. However If I am going to be modding quad tips into it then I figured I might as well tweak the sound a little if I can. So sound wise the exotic sounding and droneless Corsa item # 14953 was by far my fav, followed by the heavy hitting MRT V2 and coming in at a close 3rd or probably tied with the V2 is the factory equipped NPP for the V6. In my position retrofitting the ZL1 muffler makes sense because it gives me genuine quad tips plus the opportunity to experiment with vacuum if I care to or I could just leave it open all the time and enjoy it like I would have the MRT V2. To everyone who took there time to indulge this thread I thank you especially FORZASTEVE. It is always too easy to see something in the forum and ignore it if it does not directly concern you. Adding your opinnion and risking challenges or misguided ridicule is bravery in my books and for that I thank you all.
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11-29-2015, 11:34 AM | #27 |
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The Corvette C7 and the new Camaro Gen6 use electrically controlled actuators on the dual mode exhaust systems. And, they went the extra step to make the electric actuators (servo motors) controlled using PWM technology. PWM is a means to control anolog devices (the bypass valves) using a digital signal. PWM means Pulse Wave Modulation. There are a lot of cool features using this method of control. ... like making it programmable to different driving modes and having the ability to make it variable rather than merely fully open or fully closed.
Without going into a lot detail, the new version of the NPP exhaust will pretty much mean you will not be able to do simple things like pulling the fuse or disconnecting the vacuum line to force them open at all times. The proprietary controlling method will pretty much place control of the exhaust bypass valves under the car's ECU. Maybe at some point someone will come up with an aftermarket controller, but it is unlikely that it will add much function to the factory control. The new system will pretty much put an end to people wanting to retrofit the exhaust system onto a car not originally equipped with it unless they happy keeping it in a static valve position. Just mentioning this in case you are considering moving to the Gen6. If you think you may want the dual mode exhaust, order it before you take delivery of the car. Regards, Steve |
11-29-2015, 11:58 AM | #28 | |
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One thing I would like to add, and I think you appreciate this, that with modern cars, diving in a making modifications without fully appreciating the complex nature of today's control systems, electronics and emissions ... one can get in way over one's head and cobble up the car. Not only maybe causing more problems than you fix, but degrading the car for potential resale. I expect many of us have had an experience with a previously owned vehicle where you peer into the engine bay and see stray wires going hither and yon, plugged vacuum hoses and goodness knows what all. I conclude from your postings that you give considerable thought before making a mod on your vehicles. Wish more people would have that mind set. Best regards, Steve |
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