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SGOS252382 · 04-03-2010, 01:51 PM

No baseline =

I'm still waiting to see a bone stock car dynoed before and after a Vararam intake install. Is that too much too ask?

towmoe · 04-03-2010, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SGOS252382

No baseline =

I'm still waiting to see a bone stock car dynoed before and after a Vararam intake install. Is that too much too ask?

+1

Jeanius · 04-03-2010, 04:39 PM

Kirk was this with the bottom/sides of the wicker bill removed?

wbt · 04-03-2010, 04:52 PM

Thanks for posting. Still looking like the Vararam is no better than the other good CAI's on the market for gains.

Icntdrv55 · 04-03-2010, 06:24 PM

Kirk

By now you have tested MANY CAI's with your tune. Do you believe any one CAI works any better WITH YOUR TUNE that any other??
I just bought your tune for my L99 and am getting ready to get a Vararam but would like to know if you think there is a better CAI that works with your tune!

Ject · 04-03-2010, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Icntdrv55

Kirk

By now you have tested MANY CAI's with your tune. Do you believe any one CAI works any better WITH YOUR TUNE that any other??
I just bought your tune for my L(( and am getting ready to get a Vararam but would like to know if you think there is a better CAI that works with your tune!

Johnwayne · 04-03-2010, 08:40 PM

ONLY 380ish

they wont do a base line because they guarantee 30+ RWHP which is total BS! I think vararam is taking advantage of people everyday with just piss poor service for a even worse product that was thrown together and changed on the fly. there are a bunch of happy customers but there are way too many horror stories and unhappy customers. they are no different than K&N and if you put that on your car it wont buck at all OR throw a code.

Bell040 · 04-03-2010, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnwayne

ONLY 380ish

they wont do a base line because they guarantee 30+ RWHP which is total BS! I think vararam is taking advantage of people everyday with just piss poor service for a even worse product that was thrown together and changed on the fly. there are a bunch of happy customers but there are way too many horror stories and unhappy customers. they are no different than K&N and if you put that on your car it wont buck at all OR throw a code.

384.....

with a 355 baseline... on a mustang dyno....

wbt · 04-03-2010, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Bell040

384.....

with a 355 baseline... on a mustang dyno....

They did not get a baseline. The statement was since no baseline run was conducted, taking the low end of the LS3 dyno numbers and comparing that to the Vararam AND a tune they came up with 384. It is just speculation as to the baseline. It could have been 370 or it could have been 340. Who knows.

Take the results provided and compare intake to intake testing WITHOUT a tune and again the Vararam is no better than any of the other top CAI's on the market such as:

CAI
Roto-Fab
ADM
Halltech

This is the point everyone should be considering. Everyone has a choice and it really boils down to what you are comfortable with. An intake that requires no tune to correct LTFT or an intake that requires a tune to get dialed in.

SwiftCat · 04-03-2010, 11:07 PM

I hate to say it, but I sure am glad I sold my unit and went instead with an ADM race. The Vararam definitely gives awesome gains, but it just feels so pieced together. It's pretty sad when a guy has to come on the forum just to figure out what bolt goes where. Hopefully things will get smoothed out in the future, but until then I'll stick with more "application" engineering and less "theoretical." On a lighter note, I'm sure that Kirk will find every ounce of HP/TQ that can be sucked (pun intended

) out of the Vararam units.
Good luck fellas.
Swifty

Jeanius · 04-03-2010, 11:22 PM

1) What CAI did you have on it when it came in, did you dyno it with that CAI?

2) Were the Bottom/Sides of the wicker-bill removed for the tune?

3) When are you putting the stock box back on and getting the baseline dyno?

4) What are your impressions of this set up VS the other CAI you had on before?

Bell040 · 04-04-2010, 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wbt

They did not get a baseline. The statement was since no baseline run was conducted, taking the low end of the LS3 dyno numbers and comparing that to the Vararam AND a tune they came up with 384. It is just speculation as to the baseline. It could have been 370 or it could have been 340. Who knows.

......

I have to think Kirk knows the average stock LS3 to better than +/-15HP on his dyno. After all, he does do this for a living.

Thanks Kirk!!

wbt · 04-04-2010, 03:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bell040

I have to think Kirk knows the average stock LS3 to better than +/-15HP on his dyno. After all, he does do this for a living.

Thanks Kirk!!

Keep drinking the cool-aid.

This has nothing to do with Kirk or Vector Motorsports. I personally think they do good work and have a nice cam I am looking at.

Re-read my post. It is logical and makes perfect sense.

kelley@vectormotorsports · 04-04-2010, 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SGOS252382

No baseline =

I'm still waiting to see a bone stock car dynoed before and after a Vararam intake install. Is that too much too ask?

No it is not. We have very little extra dyno time this time of year. We all overlooked that the car had a CAI on it already.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeanius

Kirk was this with the bottom/sides of the wicker bill removed?

Also, is the tune ready for sale? I have Dynatech LT's, Magnaflow CB and the VR.

No wicker bill in any of our intakes from Vararam.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Icntdrv55

Kirk

By now you have tested MANY CAI's with your tune. Do you believe any one CAI works any better WITH YOUR TUNE that any other??
I just bought your tune for my L99 and am getting ready to get a Vararam but would like to know if you think there is a better CAI that works with your tune!

Some intakes work a lot better with our tune. That is not to say they make more power than any other. When it comes to intakes I always say to go with the one that looks the best to you. All CAI's work better with a tune, including the stock one.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnwayne

ONLY 380ish

they wont do a base line because they guarantee 30+ RWHP which is total BS! I think vararam is taking advantage of people everyday with just piss poor service for a even worse product that was thrown together and changed on the fly. there are a bunch of happy customers but there are way too many horror stories and unhappy customers. they are no different than K&N and if you put that on your car it wont buck at all OR throw a code.

"they" meaning us, Vector? We do not guarantee any HP number. We just test and tune. The numbers are what they are. Vararam does not pay us to do this or give us a special deal on their intakes. We have nothing to gain but make our customers with Vararams have better running cars.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeanius

1) What CAI did you have on it when it came in, did you dyno it with that CAI?

2) Were the Bottom/Sides of the wicker-bill removed for the tune?

3) When are you putting the stock box back on and getting the baseline dyno?

4) What are your impressions of this set up VS the other CAI you had on before?

1. Roto-Fab
2. No wicker-bill
3. The customer has this next Saturday off we will do it then.
4. In my opinion I like the Roto-Fab better, this is only based on looks. I like a stock looking intake and the Vararam is a bit "high performance" looking for me.

04-03-2010, 04:39 PM	#31
Jeanius Drives: Blk/Blk 2018 Sierra SLT Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Golden State Posts: 2,925	Kirk was this with the bottom/sides of the wicker bill removed? __________________ SOLD: 2SS LS3 M6 - MGW - Dynatech LT's HF Cats - Magnaflow Street CB - ADM Race CAI - Pedders Xa Coilovers - Pfadt Sways TRADED: 2016 2SS M6 Last edited by Jeanius; 04-11-2010 at 07:02 PM.

04-03-2010, 06:24 PM	#33
Icntdrv55 CCOTR Member Drives: Victory Red 2010 2SS/RS A6 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Parker CO Posts: 1,096	Kirk By now you have tested MANY CAI's with your tune. Do you believe any one CAI works any better WITH YOUR TUNE that any other?? I just bought your tune for my L99 and am getting ready to get a Vararam but would like to know if you think there is a better CAI that works with your tune! __________________ Camaro Club Of The Rockies (CCOTR) Check us out on Facebook! --------------------------- 2010 Camaro SS/RS Victory Red A6- Vararam Intake, Doug Thorley Tri Y LTs, Magnaflow X-pipe, Flowmaster Super 40's, VMS Tune, Razzi Ground Effects, Herritage Grill, RED headlight and fog light Halos, LED DRLs, Dash and extended Door ABL, engine, grill and rear defusser LED lighting ........ 12.59@112.21 (DA Corrected) Last edited by Icntdrv55; 04-03-2010 at 08:20 PM.

04-03-2010, 11:07 PM	#38
SwiftCat Get me my meds! Drives: 2010 SS/RS M6 & solid black, baby! Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Maple Valley, Wa. Posts: 279	I hate to say it, but I sure am glad I sold my unit and went instead with an ADM race. The Vararam definitely gives awesome gains, but it just feels so pieced together. It's pretty sad when a guy has to come on the forum just to figure out what bolt goes where. Hopefully things will get smoothed out in the future, but until then I'll stick with more "application" engineering and less "theoretical." On a lighter note, I'm sure that Kirk will find every ounce of HP/TQ that can be sucked (pun intended ) out of the Vararam units. Good luck fellas. Swifty __________________ Mods: ADM race CAI, Vector tune, ARH headers, Borla 'S' types, Revolution hood & chin, MGW short-shifter, T-Rex phantom grille The legend continues...

04-03-2010, 11:22 PM	#39
Jeanius Drives: Blk/Blk 2018 Sierra SLT Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Golden State Posts: 2,925	1) What CAI did you have on it when it came in, did you dyno it with that CAI? 2) Were the Bottom/Sides of the wicker-bill removed for the tune? 3) When are you putting the stock box back on and getting the baseline dyno? 4) What are your impressions of this set up VS the other CAI you had on before? __________________ SOLD: 2SS LS3 M6 - MGW - Dynatech LT's HF Cats - Magnaflow Street CB - ADM Race CAI - Pedders Xa Coilovers - Pfadt Sways TRADED: 2016 2SS M6

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04-03-2010, 01:51 PM	#29
SGOS252382 Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: S.W. Florida Posts: 6,294	No baseline = I'm still waiting to see a bone stock car dynoed before and after a Vararam intake install. Is that too much too ask?

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wbt Account Suspended Drives: 2010 Challenger R/T;2011 Mustang GT Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 2,105	Thanks for posting. Still looking like the Vararam is no better than the other good CAI's on the market for gains.

04-03-2010, 08:40 PM	#35
Johnwayne Account Suspended Drives: 2010 Camaro Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Gulfport, MS/ St. Louis, MO Posts: 185	ONLY 380ish they wont do a base line because they guarantee 30+ RWHP which is total BS! I think vararam is taking advantage of people everyday with just piss poor service for a even worse product that was thrown together and changed on the fly. there are a bunch of happy customers but there are way too many horror stories and unhappy customers. they are no different than K&N and if you put that on your car it wont buck at all OR throw a code.