More superchargered than turbocharged - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

Rjizzle10 · 02-01-2015, 09:42 AM

It seems to me there are so many more supercharged camaros than there are turbocharged camaros. Is that just because of maintence/price?

BullF-16 · 02-01-2015, 09:46 AM

I'd say more a combination of intimidation and lack of knowlege

dreksnot · 02-01-2015, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rjizzle10

Is that just because of maintence/price?

No, and perhaps.

Jared91 · 02-01-2015, 10:28 AM

I personally think it's because superchargers for the 5th gen have been out since day 1 for the most part. Legitimate twin turbo kits have been late to the party. I'm sure if the Agp kit was available back in 2010 almost everyone would have it.

old motorhead · 02-01-2015, 10:29 AM

Some just really, sincerely, don't want to fool with a set of turbo's and all that goes with them. Plain and simple.

Unreal · 02-01-2015, 10:50 AM

SC kits have been out since day one. SC manufacturers have huge marketing budgets, sales reps, distributors. Only AGP really has a sales network, but it isn't like they have paid sales people going out to shops taking them to lunch and offering incentives to sale their kits. Misconceptions are a big part of it, but that is slowly changing.

A set of turbos has no more maintenance, or stuff to fool with compared to any other FI system.

A lot shops push what they make the most money off of, not what is best for the customer.

Bo White · 02-01-2015, 11:07 AM

Centri blowers are more common because of price.

LOBBS · 02-01-2015, 01:01 PM

Depends on what style of driving you're looking for out of your car. Positive displacement blowers give you that great low end grunt but suffer from heat-related efficiency issues. Centrifugal blowers come on in a fairly linear fashion throughout the power curve. They make a lot of sense for road-racing and drag racing. They're a bit easier to hook up coming back out of a corner or from a launch. Turbos don't give you much below 3000 rpm or so but once the boost spools up it's all in.

Unreal · 02-01-2015, 02:41 PM

Ugh, no. Making generalization like that is silly.

Not all PD blower sugger heat issues. No all centris come on only top, and turbos can spool anywhere you design the system for. Want full boost at 1500rpm, just select the correct turbos for that.

LSXBumblebee · 02-01-2015, 02:49 PM

Hard to find a good twin turbo kit that is C.A.R.B approved.

LOBBS · 02-01-2015, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unreal

Ugh, no. Making generalization like that is silly.

Not all PD blower sugger heat issues. No all centris come on only top, and turbos can spool anywhere you design the system for. Want full boost at 1500rpm, just select the correct turbos for that.

A top-mount positive displacement blower is universally accepted as being less efficient than a centri or turbo due to its location directly above the engine. Yes, you can intercool and/or shield them to help the keep the IATs more reasonable but they are less efficient.

A centrifugal, same as a PD, is a mechanically driven and is building boost from idle to redline relative to engine RPM. Yes, peak boost is at redline but they are spooling up throughout the curve. In situations where traction is at a premium the slower build of boost can be advantageous. Now, a centri like the Procharger i-1 with its CVT can give you a near-turbo like torque curve with instant, full boost at any RPM.

I don't disagree that a turbo, or a pair of turbos, can be selected to obtain max boost at 1500 rpm. But being small enough to be brought up to speed at that RPM poses a risk of being restrictive at higher RPMs. This, of course, does not take into account variable vane turbos or running a pair of big/small turbos in sequence which could help mitigate that issue. But, again it is generally accepted that turbos will not give much help below the RPM required to get them spinning.

GSUNCSU · 02-01-2015, 07:04 PM

I chose the MagnaCharger, because I wanted to do my own install and from my research, it appeared to be the easiest install (less plumbing, etc.) and their install instructions were very good, and the Maggie appeared to give the best useable torq and HP across the powerband. That was 2010, now I'd probably consider the TT but I'd probably stay with the Magnuson.

Ludasmith · 02-01-2015, 08:03 PM

It generally seems like there's more going wrong with the setups on turbo systems. Hot side leaks can be a disaster. Ton more heat and all the headaches associated with that. Oil lines and pressure needing to be right.

Supercharger you bolt on and hope the belts don't shred. But at least it's all on the front and top.

I know, lots of generalizations in my post.

Bo White · 02-01-2015, 09:17 PM

Centri has a lot less belt slip issues compared to PD blowers too because of the mass.

02-01-2015, 09:42 AM	#1
Rjizzle10 Drives: '13 Hot Wheels SS Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: United States Posts: 313	More superchargered than turbocharged It seems to me there are so many more supercharged camaros than there are turbocharged camaros. Is that just because of maintence/price?

02-01-2015, 09:46 AM	#2
BullF-16 USAF retired! Thank God! Drives: 2011 1SS, 1LT red,1LT/RS SGM 98Z28 Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: North Texas Posts: 2,799	I'd say more a combination of intimidation and lack of knowlege __________________ HKE LSX427(Mast blk lbl 305 6bolt LS7heads, PatG231/246 blower cam, RWHP/TQ: 1281/1133 SNL Performance Custom Twin PT6766 BB turbos 4 to 25psi selectable on the Boost Leash controller, Squash dual 400LPH/ID2000s, ALKY 4 gal meth, Autometer AFR/Bst/oilpres/oiltemp/fuelpress gauges, Pedders Justice road crs pkg: All HD bushes, supercar 12kg coil overs, supercar ZL1 sways, camber plates all setup by JusticePete! :Gforce 9" 35spline S-Trac, 1500hp Outlaw axles, 3.5"alum DS, Monster Triple disc; 4xForgeline 19x10.5 4xBridgestone 305/30R19 RE-11, CTS-v calipers/rotors/Cobalt friction XR1/3 pads

02-01-2015, 10:28 AM	#4
Jared91 Drives: 2011 Camaro SS/M6 Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Pennsylvania, 15909 Posts: 180 View My Garage	I personally think it's because superchargers for the 5th gen have been out since day 1 for the most part. Legitimate twin turbo kits have been late to the party. I'm sure if the Agp kit was available back in 2010 almost everyone would have it. __________________ 2011 Ls3. Slp TSV2300. 8PSI. 3.4 Pulley. Livernois Twin Fuel Pump. Id850 Injectors. Slp 1 3/4 headers. CAI Cold Air Intake. 3inch exhaust. V-Maxx portted throttle body. Night Fury cam. Lpe 391 gears. Fj performence tune. 643rwhp 574rwtq

02-01-2015, 10:50 AM	#6
Unreal Drives: 2006 Z06 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 5,712	SC kits have been out since day one. SC manufacturers have huge marketing budgets, sales reps, distributors. Only AGP really has a sales network, but it isn't like they have paid sales people going out to shops taking them to lunch and offering incentives to sale their kits. Misconceptions are a big part of it, but that is slowly changing. A set of turbos has no more maintenance, or stuff to fool with compared to any other FI system. A lot shops push what they make the most money off of, not what is best for the customer. __________________ Nick Corvette Z06 -1200ish rwhp

02-01-2015, 11:07 AM	#7
Bo White Drives: 2015 Summit White 2SS 1LE Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Vance Alabama Posts: 8,019	Centri blowers are more common because of price. __________________ Retired wanna be cylinder head porter 2015 2SS 1LE Clutch reservoir, Vararam DRX, ported TB, TSP 2" headers, MGW shifter Totalled: 2010 1SS Wilkes Performance/Eagle 416 shortblock, TSP custom valvetrain, PRC 260 heads, Edelbrock Pro Flo 102, th400 swap, 8" PTC 5500 stall= 535/435 at the wheels tuned Gen 3 Performance and Dyno 10.97 @ 124 full weight in 3100 DA CamaroFest X

02-01-2015, 10:29 AM	#5
old motorhead Drives: Maggie blown LS3 vette Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: SE TX Posts: 1,490	Some just really, sincerely, don't want to fool with a set of turbo's and all that goes with them. Plain and simple.

02-01-2015, 01:01 PM	#8
LOBBS Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Independence, MO Posts: 472 View My Garage	Depends on what style of driving you're looking for out of your car. Positive displacement blowers give you that great low end grunt but suffer from heat-related efficiency issues. Centrifugal blowers come on in a fairly linear fashion throughout the power curve. They make a lot of sense for road-racing and drag racing. They're a bit easier to hook up coming back out of a corner or from a launch. Turbos don't give you much below 3000 rpm or so but once the boost spools up it's all in.

02-01-2015, 02:41 PM	#9
Unreal Drives: 2006 Z06 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 5,712	Ugh, no. Making generalization like that is silly. Not all PD blower sugger heat issues. No all centris come on only top, and turbos can spool anywhere you design the system for. Want full boost at 1500rpm, just select the correct turbos for that. __________________ Nick Corvette Z06 -1200ish rwhp

02-01-2015, 02:49 PM	#10
LSXBumblebee LSX Bumblebee Drives: 2014 LSX Camaro Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: United States Posts: 434 View My Garage	Hard to find a good twin turbo kit that is C.A.R.B approved.

02-01-2015, 07:04 PM	#12
GSUNCSU Watch This! Drives: Super Charged 1SS/RS, M6, CGM Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Columbus, GA Posts: 777 View My Garage	I chose the MagnaCharger, because I wanted to do my own install and from my research, it appeared to be the easiest install (less plumbing, etc.) and their install instructions were very good, and the Maggie appeared to give the best useable torq and HP across the powerband. That was 2010, now I'd probably consider the TT but I'd probably stay with the Magnuson. __________________ K&N CAI, Wet Okole Seat Covers, MagnaFlow Street Perf. Ex. (Axle Back), MPD Hood, Gary's Customz ZL1 Fascia/Vented Fenders/Custom Stripes/Paint, AAC Afterburners/Fog Light Halos/Side Markers/Misc LEDs, Bee-Otch Air Freshener, Hurst Shifter and Line-Loc(APEX), RPI Splash Guards, MagnaCharger *(Texas-Speed)(Installed by ME),* Rx Catch Can and Breather, Billet Pulleys (SC2150), ARH Headers, LPE Twin Fuel Pump, Custom Blower Cam, Custom Tune TBArwhp, TBArwtorq, Boost Gauge and Single Pod (MTI)

02-01-2015, 08:03 PM	#13
Ludasmith Drives: 2011 Camaro SS Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Wake Forest, NC Posts: 62	It generally seems like there's more going wrong with the setups on turbo systems. Hot side leaks can be a disaster. Ton more heat and all the headaches associated with that. Oil lines and pressure needing to be right. Supercharger you bolt on and hope the belts don't shred. But at least it's all on the front and top. I know, lots of generalizations in my post.

02-01-2015, 09:17 PM	#14
Bo White Drives: 2015 Summit White 2SS 1LE Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Vance Alabama Posts: 8,019	Centri has a lot less belt slip issues compared to PD blowers too because of the mass. __________________ Retired wanna be cylinder head porter 2015 2SS 1LE Clutch reservoir, Vararam DRX, ported TB, TSP 2" headers, MGW shifter Totalled: 2010 1SS Wilkes Performance/Eagle 416 shortblock, TSP custom valvetrain, PRC 260 heads, Edelbrock Pro Flo 102, th400 swap, 8" PTC 5500 stall= 535/435 at the wheels tuned Gen 3 Performance and Dyno 10.97 @ 124 full weight in 3100 DA CamaroFest X