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flht99b · 07-05-2020, 02:33 PM

2010 2SS, 439rwhp. Street and road course use. No drag racing, maybe an occasional burnout. Trying to decide on the best investment for reliability and long term life. Like to hear opinions and or comments on those running DSS or GForce axles.

dreksnot · 07-05-2020, 02:58 PM

I've had DSS 1,400hp axles for a number of my rear differentials (Hammerhead, ZL1#1, ZL1#2 and now my 9".) DSS had done a good job and has treated me very fair. That said, I hear Geforce makes very good axles and backs them well too. So, I don't think you can go wrong with either.

ss camaro-monte · 07-06-2020, 05:15 PM

Seen guys pop an axle on a stock motor but then I have seen guys run 500+rwhp run years on stock axles. If you do the axles you might as well do the differential and get an Auburn posi if your logic is bulletproofing or trying to make it stronger as much as possible. Clutches are also a weak link in the differential.
Just looking at your power levels if you aren't drag racing it and holeshoting it a lot those axles might last longer than you have the car, just depends. Plenty of guys have way more power to the ground then you and have axles with more than 100k on them.

I personally would wait until something goes wrong and replace both axles and posi and the same time. Just my 2 cents.
But if you are doing the axles I would do the posi also if you haven't yet.

LaN- · 07-07-2020, 12:02 PM

1LE axles are the best bang for the buck. If you're lowered get offset diff bushings.

Js2fst · 07-09-2020, 11:41 PM

Gforce for sure in 700 miles I lost 7 halfshafts, and a driveshaft and no wheelhop. The 1400 hp halfshafts failed at speeds above 130 mph next to no warranty or help my factory’s never failed me. I switched to gforce.zero problems.

olblue75 · 07-10-2020, 03:39 AM

You can always look at Z28 shafts they are next level above 1LE and will fit your SS set up. I’m currently running a Z28 diff in my SS with 1LE axles and several track days at NCM with no issues. I’m a DSS fan though and have one of their DS in my car.

flht99b · 07-10-2020, 05:09 AM

Thanks for the responses. Just purchased 4K mile take out 1LE/Z28 axles. Z28 and 1LE axles are the same. Car is lowered about an inch, already have Hendrix urethane offset diff bushings. Read my signature, car has been extensively modified. Been on this forum and road racing car at least once a year since late 2009 to 2016. Work, life, my 71Z28 and then retirement got in the way but now in the process of getting car prepped for a track weekend this fall. Still have stock axles w/12K miles in the car which I had DSS do their "road course" prep to them about 7 years ago. Car just turned 30K miles while on the Dragon a few months ago. Just noticed the right rear Pedders XA shock is leaking which I'll replace with a spare I have when installing the new axles. Been on this forum since it's inception. I have to wonder why so many claim they need to upgrade their LSD. Worked on a bunch of these cars and other than full on drag cars haven't seen the diff issues claimed here.

Joe M 2012 2SS · 07-10-2020, 05:18 AM

I have DSS 1000hp 1/2 shafts and have had no issues with them. I also have a GForce driveshaft.
GForce has the worst customer service I have dealt with from any company I have bought a mod for my car from. I wouldn't buy a stick of chewing gum from them.

olblue75 · 07-10-2020, 06:07 AM

What’s DSS road race prep??

flht99b · 07-17-2020, 02:41 PM

Well the purchase of the 1LE axles fell through apparently. RDP will be getting my order for GForce Renegade axles. Sucks as I already bought the GM 1LE axle nuts and shims. Hopefully I will like the GForce axles.

acammer · 07-20-2020, 07:25 AM

For what it's worth - the life of a stock axle (or the diff) is very dependent on what you do to it, far more than the power you feed it. The driveline in these cars is not very tolerant of shock loads, and that's what tends to tear stuff up. I've had a few ring gears that couldn't handle the drag strip use I gave them - but I've never had a stock axle fail. If you want to bulletproof, axles aren't a bad step, but as long as there is an SS differential back there you still have a weak link - and if you shock it enough times it will fail you.

flht99b · 07-20-2020, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by acammer

For what it's worth - the life of a stock axle (or the diff) is very dependent on what you do to it, far more than the power you feed it. The driveline in these cars is not very tolerant of shock loads, and that's what tends to tear stuff up. I've had a few ring gears that couldn't handle the drag strip use I gave them - but I've never had a stock axle fail. If you want to bulletproof, axles aren't a bad step, but as long as there is an SS differential back there you still have a weak link - and if you shock it enough times it will fail you.

I agree, shock loads are the worst. Not an issue for how I use the car. But what I've found is the stock SS axles, the outer cv joints don't last long in road course use, especially if car is lowered. Recently added the Hendrix poly offset diff bushings and have raised that whole car about 7mm so the axle angle is now very close to stock. I don't need axles rated at 1400hp which really should be rated in Lb Ft instead. I think the 1le/z28 axles would have worked but they are unobtainable during the pandemic, there is no estimated delivery date for DSS axles but supposedly GForce axles are 3 weeks delivery from order date. My experience with aftermarket 5 gen parts over the last 11 years is so so, I hope the GForce axles do not disappoint on the road course.

acammer · 07-20-2020, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by flht99b

I agree, shock loads are the worst. Not an issue for how I use the car. But what I've found is the stock SS axles, the outer cv joints don't last long in road course use, especially if car is lowered. Recently added the Hendrix poly offset diff bushings and have raised that whole car about 7mm so the axle angle is now very close to stock. I don't need axles rated at 1400hp which really should be rated in Lb Ft instead. I think the 1le/z28 axles would have worked but they are unobtainable during the pandemic, there is no estimated delivery date for DSS axles but supposedly GForce axles are 3 weeks delivery from order date. My experience with aftermarket 5 gen parts over the last 11 years is so so, I hope the GForce axles do not disappoint on the road course.

Makes sense to me. My brain defaults to drag applications every time for some reason. Makes sense that you could have the axle running at some more significant angles for significant periods on a road course.

You're not kidding about this virus stuff making things impossible to get a-hold of. What a pain. Post up how your GForce experience goes, I've heard good things!

07-07-2020, 12:02 PM	#4
LaN- Drives: 2014 SS Convertible Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Michigan Posts: 175	1LE axles are the best bang for the buck. If you're lowered get offset diff bushings. __________________ Engine: LSA Conversion, Ported Heads, 1 7/8 headers, VMS 2.5 Cam, Roto Fab intake, ADM Scoop. BMR engine mounts, 3.91 628/525 Suspension: Koni orange, (BMR everything) 1" drop springs, toe rods, trailer arms, non adjustable LCR, FE4 sway bars, sub frame connectors, delrin sub frame bushing and upper control arm bushings. Front bushings.

07-09-2020, 11:41 PM	#5
Js2fst 2010 transformer Drives: 2010 ss camaro Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Lee's summit mo Posts: 591	Gforce for sure in 700 miles I lost 7 halfshafts, and a driveshaft and no wheelhop. The 1400 hp halfshafts failed at speeds above 130 mph next to no warranty or help my factory’s never failed me. I switched to gforce.zero problems. __________________ 2010 transformer, vertical doors, 315nt05 rears, pedders supercar coilovers, hotchkis sway bars, links, adjustable, toe bars, bmr poly cradle bushings, 1le control arms, bmr tunnel brace, bmr subframe connectors. Cam 227/239-623-620@114 Mast medium bore heads, sw 1 7/8 headers, cat delete, x pipe, 3" dynomax true duals, fuel rails, fast 102 intake and NW 102 throttle body, catch can, rotofab cai, shifter, raptor custom shift light. Dss drive shaft, 3.91 gears. 492 rwhp

07-10-2020, 03:39 AM	#6
olblue75 Drives: 2010 2SS/RS Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Clarksville Tennesse. Posts: 6,062	You can always look at Z28 shafts they are next level above 1LE and will fit your SS set up. I’m currently running a Z28 diff in my SS with 1LE axles and several track days at NCM with no issues. I’m a DSS fan though and have one of their DS in my car. __________________ Orange Krush II 1LE Front sway bar, Splitter, shocks and struts, Z28 dual mode mufflers, Intake, UCA Bushings, and Toresen 3.91 Diff. 1 piece DSS Drive Shaft, ZL1/C7 Calipers, and 32mm JPSS Rear Bar. ASC race spec splitter and wicker. 6th Gen M017 Wheels. Stainless Works 1 7/8 LTs. DSE and PAFDT Suspension components. Last edited by olblue75; 07-10-2020 at 06:05 AM.

07-10-2020, 05:09 AM	#7
flht99b Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS RJT Join Date: May 2009 Location: Knoxville Posts: 1,574 View My Garage	Thanks for the responses. Just purchased 4K mile take out 1LE/Z28 axles. Z28 and 1LE axles are the same. Car is lowered about an inch, already have Hendrix urethane offset diff bushings. Read my signature, car has been extensively modified. Been on this forum and road racing car at least once a year since late 2009 to 2016. Work, life, my 71Z28 and then retirement got in the way but now in the process of getting car prepped for a track weekend this fall. Still have stock axles w/12K miles in the car which I had DSS do their "road course" prep to them about 7 years ago. Car just turned 30K miles while on the Dragon a few months ago. Just noticed the right rear Pedders XA shock is leaking which I'll replace with a spare I have when installing the new axles. Been on this forum since it's inception. I have to wonder why so many claim they need to upgrade their LSD. Worked on a bunch of these cars and other than full on drag cars haven't seen the diff issues claimed here. __________________ RJT 2SS/RS, AAM 3.70's, MTI Sway Bars, Shifter & SS brake lines, ZLI calipers, rotors & pads, BMR Trailing & Toe Arms, rear cradle & diff bushes, Pedders XA's, Camber/Toe eccentrics, Radius arm inserts, GTO clutch reservoir, LS9 cam, Comp valve springs, Melling 10296 oil pump, CR5 timing chain, LS6 damper, CAI Cold Air Intake, ARH LT headers w/HF cats, GMPP touring axle back, Elite Engineering Catch Can, Forgeline 20x9.5 & 20x11 DS3 whls, 275/40/20 & 315/35/20 tires, 2011 Convertible spoiler, 1LE front spoiler, Lloyd "SS" Floor Mats, GM Camaro Trunk Mat, wrapped console & Grant steering wheel. Last edited by flht99b; 07-10-2020 at 06:43 AM.

07-10-2020, 05:18 AM	#8
Joe M 2012 2SS Drives: 2012 2SS Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Shelby NC Posts: 2,549 View My Garage	I have DSS 1000hp 1/2 shafts and have had no issues with them. I also have a GForce driveshaft. GForce has the worst customer service I have dealt with from any company I have bought a mod for my car from. I wouldn't buy a stick of chewing gum from them. __________________ Roto-Fab intake, SW 1 7/8" LT w/hi flow cats, Flowmaster outlaw exhaust, UDP, 160* stat, Circle D 3200, Moroso catch can, TCI line lock, Zex Nitrous 125 shot, 3.91 gear, Eaton True-trac, DSS 1000hp axles.

07-05-2020, 02:33 PM	#1
flht99b Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS RJT Join Date: May 2009 Location: Knoxville Posts: 1,574 View My Garage	DSS or GForce or 1LE axles 2010 2SS, 439rwhp. Street and road course use. No drag racing, maybe an occasional burnout. Trying to decide on the best investment for reliability and long term life. Like to hear opinions and or comments on those running DSS or GForce axles. __________________ RJT 2SS/RS, AAM 3.70's, MTI Sway Bars, Shifter & SS brake lines, ZLI calipers, rotors & pads, BMR Trailing & Toe Arms, rear cradle & diff bushes, Pedders XA's, Camber/Toe eccentrics, Radius arm inserts, GTO clutch reservoir, LS9 cam, Comp valve springs, Melling 10296 oil pump, CR5 timing chain, LS6 damper, CAI Cold Air Intake, ARH LT headers w/HF cats, GMPP touring axle back, Elite Engineering Catch Can, Forgeline 20x9.5 & 20x11 DS3 whls, 275/40/20 & 315/35/20 tires, 2011 Convertible spoiler, 1LE front spoiler, Lloyd "SS" Floor Mats, GM Camaro Trunk Mat, wrapped console & Grant steering wheel.

07-05-2020, 02:58 PM	#2
dreksnot Served USN - Atomic Chimp Drives: 13 Camaro LSX434 TT M6, 21 ZLE A10 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Fort Collins, CO Posts: 1,603 View My Garage	I've had DSS 1,400hp axles for a number of my rear differentials (Hammerhead, ZL1#1, ZL1#2 and now my 9".) DSS had done a good job and has treated me very fair. That said, I hear Geforce makes very good axles and backs them well too. So, I don't think you can go wrong with either. __________________ In excess of 1,000WHP LSX434 \| AGP 65/65 TT \| BTR Equalizer Intake \| Trickflow 245cc cathedral \| BTR custom cam \| Cortex EBC \| n2mb WOT \| ID-1700x \| Brisk GR12S \| RPM Lv 7 TR6060 \| AGP's Triple 525LPH Fore Fuel \| Monster LT1-S Triple \| 4.11 DSS Proform 9", CF driveshaft, 1400hp axles \| Hurst Line Lock \| MGW Retro Short Throw w/old skool Hurst T-handle \| ADM solid subframe mounts \| Prothane Motor Mounts \| Revshift Poly Trans insert \| Moreno camber/caster plates Last edited by dreksnot; 07-17-2020 at 04:40 PM.

07-06-2020, 05:15 PM	#3
ss camaro-monte Drives: 2015 camaro 2ss, 87 monte ss Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Houston Posts: 241	Seen guys pop an axle on a stock motor but then I have seen guys run 500+rwhp run years on stock axles. If you do the axles you might as well do the differential and get an Auburn posi if your logic is bulletproofing or trying to make it stronger as much as possible. Clutches are also a weak link in the differential. Just looking at your power levels if you aren't drag racing it and holeshoting it a lot those axles might last longer than you have the car, just depends. Plenty of guys have way more power to the ground then you and have axles with more than 100k on them. I personally would wait until something goes wrong and replace both axles and posi and the same time. Just my 2 cents. But if you are doing the axles I would do the posi also if you haven't yet.

07-10-2020, 06:07 AM	#9
olblue75 Drives: 2010 2SS/RS Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Clarksville Tennesse. Posts: 6,062	What’s DSS road race prep?? __________________ Orange Krush II 1LE Front sway bar, Splitter, shocks and struts, Z28 dual mode mufflers, Intake, UCA Bushings, and Toresen 3.91 Diff. 1 piece DSS Drive Shaft, ZL1/C7 Calipers, and 32mm JPSS Rear Bar. ASC race spec splitter and wicker. 6th Gen M017 Wheels. Stainless Works 1 7/8 LTs. DSE and PAFDT Suspension components.

07-17-2020, 02:41 PM	#10
flht99b Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS RJT Join Date: May 2009 Location: Knoxville Posts: 1,574 View My Garage	Well the purchase of the 1LE axles fell through apparently. RDP will be getting my order for GForce Renegade axles. Sucks as I already bought the GM 1LE axle nuts and shims. Hopefully I will like the GForce axles. __________________ RJT 2SS/RS, AAM 3.70's, MTI Sway Bars, Shifter & SS brake lines, ZLI calipers, rotors & pads, BMR Trailing & Toe Arms, rear cradle & diff bushes, Pedders XA's, Camber/Toe eccentrics, Radius arm inserts, GTO clutch reservoir, LS9 cam, Comp valve springs, Melling 10296 oil pump, CR5 timing chain, LS6 damper, CAI Cold Air Intake, ARH LT headers w/HF cats, GMPP touring axle back, Elite Engineering Catch Can, Forgeline 20x9.5 & 20x11 DS3 whls, 275/40/20 & 315/35/20 tires, 2011 Convertible spoiler, 1LE front spoiler, Lloyd "SS" Floor Mats, GM Camaro Trunk Mat, wrapped console & Grant steering wheel.

07-20-2020, 07:25 AM	#11
acammer GPI Sales Consultant Drives: 2011 Camaro 2SS SGM Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Weedsport, NY Posts: 2,794 View My Garage	For what it's worth - the life of a stock axle (or the diff) is very dependent on what you do to it, far more than the power you feed it. The driveline in these cars is not very tolerant of shock loads, and that's what tends to tear stuff up. I've had a few ring gears that couldn't handle the drag strip use I gave them - but I've never had a stock axle fail. If you want to bulletproof, axles aren't a bad step, but as long as there is an SS differential back there you still have a weak link - and if you shock it enough times it will fail you. __________________ GPI Max Package 2.0: Brodix BR7 heads/GPI porting, MAX3 cam, ST2116LSR, BSR Max Lift rockers, LS7 LSXR with 103mm TB, Vararam OTR, Mcleod RXT, G-Force/Strange 9" IRS setup with 4.63 gear. 551whp, 11.1@124mph. *Got a question about a GPI product? Feel free to shoot me a message!*