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Old 09-21-2018, 01:18 PM   #15
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IMO, no car is worth that, much less a Ford. And I'd have said the same of the ZR1 if it was half that price. Yeah, the Ford GT can actually be a good investment, but you have to keep it in a glass case. What's the point?

I'd rather drive the hell out of the ZR1 and invest the extra money I'd have spent on the Ford GT.

Different strokes for different folks.
That is why I said if I had F U money lol. you know where shelling out 500K is no big deal
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it has more power...its available power is like a set kof double Ds (no matter where your face is... theyre everywhere) it has the suspension to mame it matter...(
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Old 09-22-2018, 10:00 PM   #16
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Just read through everything tonight. That delta is crazy. I guess VIR is the kinda track that the ZR1 likes, in contrast to the slightly disappointing result that it had with Motor Trend over at Laguna Seca.

Another thing that stood out? This years run of the GT was just 2 tenths ahead of the ZL1 1LE that ran last year.

And for those poo-pooing the Mustang GT PP. Umm ... it did turn a quicker time than the SS 1LE. By a full second. And given that the Ford GT ran slower this year than last, its fair to say that conditions this year weren't quite ideal.
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Old 09-23-2018, 12:35 AM   #17
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Maybe GM needs to bring out a 2LE, to battle the PP2?
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Old 09-23-2018, 01:59 AM   #18
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Maybe GM needs to bring out a 2LE, to battle the PP2?
You might be the embodiment of the sardonic sense of humour here on Camaro5/6.


And on the off-topic of what to do with 'FU money'?
I'd put an LS7 into a Donkervoot (somehow) & just have an absolute blast.
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Old 09-23-2018, 02:56 AM   #19
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You might be the embodiment of the sardonic sense of humour here on Camaro5/6.


And on the off-topic of what to do with 'FU money'?
I'd put an LS7 into a Donkervoot (somehow) & just have an absolute blast.
I was only partially joking. I do wonder what gains could be had if they put the ZL1 1LE suspension and aero on an SS.
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Just read through everything tonight. That delta is crazy. I guess VIR is the kinda track that the ZR1 likes, in contrast to the slightly disappointing result that it had with Motor Trend over at Laguna Seca.

Another thing that stood out? This years run of the GT was just 2 tenths ahead of the ZL1 1LE that ran last year.

And for those poo-pooing the Mustang GT PP. Umm ... it did turn a quicker time than the SS 1LE. By a full second. And given that the Ford GT ran slower this year than last, its fair to say that conditions this year weren't quite ideal.
Ford has been caught, more than once, of “preparing” a car for magazine reviews. The only way to know for sure would be to take them from dealer lots and test, but that’s far from practical.
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Just read through everything tonight. That delta is crazy. I guess VIR is the kinda track that the ZR1 likes, in contrast to the slightly disappointing result that it had with Motor Trend over at Laguna Seca.

Another thing that stood out? This years run of the GT was just 2 tenths ahead of the ZL1 1LE that ran last year.

And for those poo-pooing the Mustang GT PP. Umm ... it did turn a quicker time than the SS 1LE. By a full second. And given that the Ford GT ran slower this year than last, its fair to say that conditions this year weren't quite ideal.
Wasn't the SS 1le hotlap 2 years ago? Maybe I'm mistaken on that. Anyway, the 1le did best it at another track so it's tough coming to a definite conclusion. The PP2 did well, but if it can't survive running hard on a track without overheating, it deserves the flak it gets. We really do need a same day, same track match up to put this to rest, IMO.
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Wasn't the SS 1le hotlap 2 years ago? Maybe I'm mistaken on that. Anyway, the 1le did best it at another track so it's tough coming to a definite conclusion. The PP2 did well, but if it can't survive running hard on a track without overheating, it deserves the flak it gets. We really do need a same day, same track match up to put this to rest, IMO.
Yes it was 2 years ago.

And a proper head to head test is definitely needed. I think this is the 3rd test by proxy between the two that I'm aware of.
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Just read through everything tonight. That delta is crazy. I guess VIR is the kinda track that the ZR1 likes, in contrast to the slightly disappointing result that it had with Motor Trend over at Laguna Seca.

Another thing that stood out? This years run of the GT was just 2 tenths ahead of the ZL1 1LE that ran last year.

And for those poo-pooing the Mustang GT PP. Umm ... it did turn a quicker time than the SS 1LE. By a full second. And given that the Ford GT ran slower this year than last, its fair to say that conditions this year weren't quite ideal.
It wasnt the PP that did that...... it was the PP2 which has 305 michelin sport cup 2, larger front and rear sway bars and a retuned mag ride. This car was supposed to rival the 1LE which it clearly does.

the PP1 on the other hand........ does not
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Ford has been caught, more than once, of “preparing” a car for magazine reviews. The only way to know for sure would be to take them from dealer lots and test, but that’s far from practical.
When has Ford been caught prepping a car for magazine tests? How would that be any different than GM sending engineers to magazine test to make sure the cars are set up optimally?

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Wasn't the SS 1le hotlap 2 years ago? Maybe I'm mistaken on that. Anyway, the 1le did best it at another track so it's tough coming to a definite conclusion. The PP2 did well, but if it can't survive running hard on a track without overheating, it deserves the flak it gets. We really do need a same day, same track match up to put this to rest, IMO.
Agreed. Even though Ford says the PP2 is not a track car, the fact there are now 2 documented times where it has overheated in magazine testing. That is a bad look IMO.
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