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axis · 06-19-2013, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by AutoAgenda

Valid point, but that just speaks more to the point of why GM went with ARH instead of designing their own.

After GM's research and development, the ARH headers would likely be half the price of their own in-house headers with similar performance.

I'm sure ARH gave them one helluva deal on them as well.

AutoAgenda · 06-19-2013, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by axis

I'm sure ARH gave them one helluva deal on them as well.

Agreed. Copo is limited production but bragging rights are not.

*mlee* · 06-19-2013, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by axis

I'm sure ARH gave them one helluva deal on them as well.

I doubt they cared with the low production numbers of the COPO.

caverman · 06-19-2013, 04:52 PM

If I were buying new I would probably buy the 1 7/8" but I got a hell of a deal on 1 3/4" that I couldn't pass up.

With that being said, don't discount 1 3/4" so much. Did I make less HP than the average 1 7/8"....yes by maybe 3 rwhp. Now, I still have plenty of torque and when it comes race track where it really counts I've beaten plenty of Camaros with 1 7/8" and even one that had a supercharger and a couple that had good sized cams plus all the bolt-ons. Most of these guys fail to do the more critical suspension stuff that helps put the power to the ground and/or they have so much HP that street tires kill them. Either way when it can time to put up or shut up it was my car that took the win light.

Again, if I were buying new I would go 1 7/8". Why not...for the extra $100 or so plus the ability to go with more power adders it only makes sense but the difference is so minimal that I even turned down a set of ARH 1 7/8" headers. It wasn't worth my time and effort to switch them for a few HP. Instead I sold them and took the profit to put towards my gears.

AutoAgenda · 06-19-2013, 05:43 PM

We knew a similar write-up would bother some, but we simply can't change many facts. We do however have a few differences. We highly recommend the 2'' primaries as there is no downside, especially when modding beyond a CAI and Tune. We are open to debate, but our dyno results consistently show 2'' having a slight but solid performance advantage. (Dollar per HP, picking up the last 5 hp for $45 is very beneficial, especially if adding additional mods, that 5 hp quickly turns to 15)

Everyday we have a customer ask about what LT Headers to go with, so we had to make a thread. As a company, we can't point customers to another company's thread. We had to make a logical step by step thread to help answer customer questions and unfortunately that type of information will overlap in some areas, however we do fundamentally disagree with recommending 1-7/8'' headers to everyone as the standard best choice.

Just as if we make a general intake thread, you better bet we will highlight and recommend Cold Air Inductions, Roto-Fab, New Era, etc. 95% of the content are undisputed facts.

AutoAgenda · 06-19-2013, 09:58 PM

2012-2SS · 06-19-2013, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Juice2SS

Sooooo I am going to go against all that spend the $$ blah blah blah. I paid under $400 for my headers and connection pipes. Clear image headers in 304 stainless steel. I made 366/388 with headers, cai, and tune.

Just installed a set of Clear Image headers the other day. I bought them and had them JetHot coated for still hundreds less than most headers that are offered. Sorry but its completely ridiculous to spend more than $1k on a set of headers

AutoAgenda · 06-19-2013, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 2012-2SS

Just installed a set of Clear Image headers the other day. I bought them and had them JetHot coated for still hundreds less than most headers that are offered. Sorry but its completely ridiculous to spend more than $1k on a set of headers

Clear Image only makes bolt-on 1-3/4'' correct? Stainless Power is another option which is about half the price of ARH.

axis · 06-19-2013, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by AutoAgenda

We highly recommend the 2'' primaries as there is no downside, especially when modding beyond a CAI and Tune. We are open to debate, but our dyno results consistently show 2'' having a slight but solid performance advantage. (Dollar per HP, picking up the last 5 hp for $45 is very beneficial, especially if adding additional mods, that 5 hp quickly turns to 15) .

There is a possible downside, the fitment. There isn't much room on the driverside around the steering column. There are people that have fitment issues with the 1 7/8 headers as well. 2in would hit even more people. It has been noted that some engines have been known to sit one way or the other a few mm, which could be one of the culprits. Not everyone has the ability to lift their engine and move it over the few mm necessary to gain the room.

2012-2SS · 06-20-2013, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by AutoAgenda

Clear Image only makes bolt-on 1-3/4'' correct? Stainless Power is another option which is about half the price of ARH.

Ya that's right 1 3/4" primaries. But still about half the price of Stainless Power. So unless the 1/8" difference in primary diameter is that important I don't see a point in spending double your money.

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Bo White · 06-20-2013, 04:43 AM

Jba only made(don't anymore) 1 3/4" for the g8 which was fine to me.

Cornflakes'Camaro · 06-20-2013, 01:30 PM

BBK Ceramic Coated Long Tube Headers w/ Mid Pipes f/ Speed Unlimited-$599.99

Part #-B4540310

in my months of research, that was the best deal I could find. Granted this was more than a year ago.

burnningice · 01-06-2015, 06:11 PM

this thread helps me out.

Brandon8791 · 01-06-2015, 06:27 PM

We went with SLP Ceramic coated long tubes... they are doing great on our car noticed a big difference in power.. on top of that they already have the ceramic coating on them. We got ours at a steal for only $750 with the high flow cats. Has a thick flange so won't have any gasket problems literally bolted right up used factory gm gaskets

06-19-2013, 04:52 PM	#18
caverman Drives: '69 SS Convertible Join Date: May 2009 Location: DFW, TX Posts: 7,111	If I were buying new I would probably buy the 1 7/8" but I got a hell of a deal on 1 3/4" that I couldn't pass up. With that being said, don't discount 1 3/4" so much. Did I make less HP than the average 1 7/8"....yes by maybe 3 rwhp. Now, I still have plenty of torque and when it comes race track where it really counts I've beaten plenty of Camaros with 1 7/8" and even one that had a supercharger and a couple that had good sized cams plus all the bolt-ons. Most of these guys fail to do the more critical suspension stuff that helps put the power to the ground and/or they have so much HP that street tires kill them. Either way when it can time to put up or shut up it was my car that took the win light. Again, if I were buying new I would go 1 7/8". Why not...for the extra $100 or so plus the ability to go with more power adders it only makes sense but the difference is so minimal that I even turned down a set of ARH 1 7/8" headers. It wasn't worth my time and effort to switch them for a few HP. Instead I sold them and took the profit to put towards my gears. __________________ *-2010 Camaro* 2SS \| M6 \| VR w/White Stripes \| 1 3/4" KOOKS - 3" Magnaflow \| LPE 3.91 gears \| ADM tuned \| Halltech w/ADM Scoop \| Spohn/BMR Trailing Arm/Toe Rod \| BC Coilovers\| Pedders FE4 ZL1 swaybars \| Cradle/Diff/Radius Rod bushings \| VMax TB \| Morimoto Projectors \| MGW shifter \| Red Calipers Build Journal

06-20-2013, 04:43 AM	#25
Bo White Drives: 2015 Summit White 2SS 1LE Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Vance Alabama Posts: 8,019	Jba only made(don't anymore) 1 3/4" for the g8 which was fine to me. __________________ Retired wanna be cylinder head porter 2015 2SS 1LE Clutch reservoir, Vararam DRX, ported TB, TSP 2" headers, MGW shifter Totalled: 2010 1SS Wilkes Performance/Eagle 416 shortblock, TSP custom valvetrain, PRC 260 heads, Edelbrock Pro Flo 102, th400 swap, 8" PTC 5500 stall= 535/435 at the wheels tuned Gen 3 Performance and Dyno 10.97 @ 124 full weight in 3100 DA CamaroFest X

06-20-2013, 01:30 PM	#26
Cornflakes'Camaro Counting down the days... Drives: Black 2011 2SS/RS Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Fort Walton Beach, Fl Posts: 637 View My Garage	BBK Ceramic Coated Long Tube Headers w/ Mid Pipes f/ Speed Unlimited-$599.99 Part #-B4540310 in my months of research, that was the best deal I could find. Granted this was more than a year ago. __________________ Tick Performance Custom Cam w/ support mods/BBK LT Headers w/ midpipes/Straight Exhaust/Airaid Cold Air Intake/ZL1 Driveshaft/ZL1 Differential/Hendrix Engineering Offset Bushings/ZL1 Axles/BMR Rear Subframe Bushings/BMR Toe Rods/Carlyle Racing 15" Conversion/Jannetty Winsheild Bottle Scoop/Forgestar 15x10 Beadlocks wrapped in Mickey Thompson Radial Pros

06-19-2013, 05:43 PM	#19
AutoAgenda Drives: 69 Camaro, 02 Escalade, 67 Eleanor Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Scottsdale AZ Posts: 5,140	We knew a similar write-up would bother some, but we simply can't change many facts. We do however have a few differences. We highly recommend the 2'' primaries as there is no downside, especially when modding beyond a CAI and Tune. We are open to debate, but our dyno results consistently show 2'' having a slight but solid performance advantage. (Dollar per HP, picking up the last 5 hp for $45 is very beneficial, especially if adding additional mods, that 5 hp quickly turns to 15) Everyday we have a customer ask about what LT Headers to go with, so we had to make a thread. As a company, we can't point customers to another company's thread. We had to make a logical step by step thread to help answer customer questions and unfortunately that type of information will overlap in some areas, however we do fundamentally disagree with recommending 1-7/8'' headers to everyone as the standard best choice. Just as if we make a general intake thread, you better bet we will highlight and recommend Cold Air Inductions, Roto-Fab, New Era, etc. 95% of the content are undisputed facts.

06-19-2013, 09:58 PM	#20
AutoAgenda Drives: 69 Camaro, 02 Escalade, 67 Eleanor Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Scottsdale AZ Posts: 5,140

01-06-2015, 06:11 PM	#27
burnningice Drives: 2016 SS Mosaic Black Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Murfreesboro, TN Posts: 438	this thread helps me out.

01-06-2015, 06:27 PM	#28
Brandon8791 Drives: 2010 Camaro SS Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Morristown Tn Posts: 12	We went with SLP Ceramic coated long tubes... they are doing great on our car noticed a big difference in power.. on top of that they already have the ceramic coating on them. We got ours at a steal for only $750 with the high flow cats. Has a thick flange so won't have any gasket problems literally bolted right up used factory gm gaskets