Has your perception changed of the V6 Camaro??

[Geno]

Originally Posted by bouncertime

V6


V8


Big difference is the fake vent above the grill and a larger front spoiler.

Thank you very much. I really like the looks better without th e vent.

[DGthe3]

I never realized how much some people dislike that corvette esque vent. I love the front end on that black one, can't see why people hate it let alone prefer the red. Meh, to each their own.

[Craig]

It will be a monumental achievement if GM can keep their promise of the V6 car being price-competitive with the base Mustang when you consider that the difference in content borders on the ridiculous. But I don't suggest you V6 buyers get too uppity with '05-up Mustang GT's, as I seem to be reading about here and in plenty of other threads. The peak horsepower is basically the same but they get quite a bit more torque and carry around 200 pounds less weight. Regardless, this new Camaro looks to rewrite the book on what to expect from a bread-and-butter "base" car. It's really no longer a volume car but a sporty coupe in it's own right. That being said, it's still V8 all the way for me.

[4thGen]

Originally Posted by Craig

It will be a monumental achievement if GM can keep their promise of the V6 car being price-competitive with the base Mustang when you consider that the difference in content borders on the ridiculous. But I don't suggest you V6 buyers get too uppity with '05-up Mustang GT's, as I seem to be reading about here and in plenty of other threads. The peak horsepower is basically the same but they get quite a bit more torque and carry around 200 pounds less weight. Regardless, this new Camaro looks to rewrite the book on what to expect from a bread-and-butter "base" car. It's really no longer a volume car but a sporty coupe in it's own right. That being said, it's still V8 all the way for me.

I would still like to see how the V6 Camaro stands up to the GT in straight line performance.

[Supermans]

Originally Posted by 4thGen

I would still like to see how the V6 Camaro stands up to the GT in straight line performance.

The 0-60 times below may not be 100% accurate so correct me if you find something wrong. The V6 time i put below is an estimate based on what we know of the engine in the CTS.. I looked at multiple sources about the mustang times so they are pretty accurate..


Well 0-60 should be below 6 seconds for the V6 Camaro as that is what the CTS can do it in..
The V8 automatic got the 0-60 in 4.6 seconds with some tuning while the manual got 4.9 seconds according to the latest info we all received this last week as you all should know already .

"The aluminum 4.6L SOHC V8 engine on the Mustang GT sports a 3-valves-per-cylinder head arrangement. The resulting output? 300 horses and 320 lb.-ft. of torque. Or, if you prefer, 0 to 60 in 4.9 seconds.* Blink at your own risk.
*Road & Track, April 2005." according to Road and Track testing.

A 2007 GT350 does 0-60 in 4.7 seconds while a stock 2007 GT does it in 4.9, the same as in 2005..

The V6 mustang in 2007 does it in 6.3 with a skilled driver on a manual at the fastest and that time may not be stock. Most of the 0-60 times for the V6 come around 6.6 for the V6 Mustang which puts the V6 Camaro at 300HP ahead by a wide margin..


Just to get a feel for what to expect with power and what was considered lots of power and speed just a few years ago.. This is a good read below..

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=104572

Model Year: 2003
Make: Ford
Model: Mustang
Style SVT Cobra
Base Price: $33,125
Price as Tested: $47,033
Drive Type: RWD
Transmission Type: 6-speed manual
Displacement (liters): 4.6
Engine Type: DOHC Supercharged V8
Claimed Horsepower: 601 at rear wheels, 690 at the flywheel
Claimed Torque: 529 at rear wheels, 620 at the flywheel

"We recorded a best run of 12.8 seconds at 120 mph, and our best 0-60-mph time was 4.7 seconds."

0-60 time of 4.7 seconds for the SVT above..

Now this a 2003 SVT Cobra priced at $47,000 with extra's and being $33,000 stock... Five years later and the stock automatic V8 Camaro will do 0-60 in 4.6 for under $30,000 and be able to beat this amazing Mustang SVT Cobra that is lighter and has more Horsepower to boot in a straight line. And will have IRS as well.. Around a track with curves, the Camaro should be more agile because of a better IRS. This SVT above does have IRS but if I recall, they never fit perfectly on these older SVT's but at least they had them... So the V8 and the V6 will be great buys when competing within their own price range of sports cars..

[Speedy1975]

Originally Posted by Supermans

The 0-60 times below may not be 100% accurate so correct me if you find something wrong. The V6 time i put below is an estimate based on what we know of the engine in the CTS.. I looked at multiple sources about the mustang times so they are pretty accurate..


Well 0-60 should be below 6 seconds for the V6 Camaro as that is what the CTS can do it in..
The V8 automatic got the 0-60 in 4.6 seconds with some tuning while the manual got 4.9 seconds according to the latest info we all received this last week as you all should know already .

"The aluminum 4.6L SOHC V8 engine on the Mustang GT sports a 3-valves-per-cylinder head arrangement. The resulting output? 300 horses and 320 lb.-ft. of torque. Or, if you prefer, 0 to 60 in 4.9 seconds.* Blink at your own risk.
*Road & Track, April 2005." according to Road and Track testing.

A 2007 GT350 does 0-60 in 4.7 seconds while a stock 2007 GT does it in 4.9, the same as in 2005..

The V6 mustang in 2007 does it in 6.3 with a skilled driver on a manual at the fastest and that time may not be stock. Most of the 0-60 times for the V6 come around 6.6 for the V6 Mustang which puts the V6 Camaro at 300HP ahead by a wide margin..


Just to get a feel for what to expect with power and what was considered lots of power and speed just a few years ago.. This is a good read below..

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=104572

Model Year: 2003
Make: Ford
Model: Mustang
Style SVT Cobra
Base Price: $33,125
Price as Tested: $47,033
Drive Type: RWD
Transmission Type: 6-speed manual
Displacement (liters): 4.6
Engine Type: DOHC Supercharged V8
Claimed Horsepower: 601 at rear wheels, 690 at the flywheel
Claimed Torque: 529 at rear wheels, 620 at the flywheel

"We recorded a best run of 12.8 seconds at 120 mph, and our best 0-60-mph time was 4.7 seconds."

0-60 time of 4.7 seconds for the SVT above..

Now this a 2003 SVT Cobra priced at $47,000 with extra's and being $33,000 stock... Five years later and the stock automatic V8 Camaro will do 0-60 in 4.6 for under $30,000 and be able to beat this amazing Mustang SVT Cobra that is lighter and has more Horsepower to boot in a straight line. And will have IRS as well.. Around a track with curves, the Camaro should be more agile because of a better IRS. This SVT above does have IRS but if I recall, they never fit perfectly on these older SVT's but at least they had them... So the V8 and the V6 will be great buys when competing within their own price range of sports cars..

Something's not adding up here. How can a 600HP car that is lighter have the same 0-60 times as one that has 422HP and is heavier? I'm gonna say it had to do with traction. Did that SVT Cobra have traction/launch control? That may be how the Camaro can match it's 0-60.

Oh and P.S. - I hope the V8 Camaro sounds something like that SVT Cobra.

[PA FAST]

I think the V6 in the Camaro will be a great engine, but it's V8 or bust for me.

[Supermans]

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

Something's not adding up here. How can a 600HP car that is lighter have the same 0-60 times as one that has 422HP and is heavier? I'm gonna say it had to do with traction. Did that SVT Cobra have traction/launch control? That may be how the Camaro can match it's 0-60.

Oh and P.S. - I hope the V8 Camaro sounds something like that SVT Cobra.

That's why I posted the article from Car and Driver. All things do add up because it is the modern technology of today that encompasses the V8 automatic (with special tuning that was done) to get it to be faster with a heavier car with less HP than the SVT Cobra in the article) Shifting is faster with the modern engine of the Camaro and nobody can shift faster than a computer can. I'm quite sure that the SVT Cobra in the article with a modern automatic would get better times than it did.. It is interesting to compare newer more modern cars with older top of the line bad boys of generations past.. This is no exception..

[Speedy1975]

Originally Posted by Supermans

That's why I posted the article from Car and Driver. All things do add up because it is the modern technology of today that encompasses the V8 automatic (with special tuning that was done) to get it to be faster with a heavier car with less HP than the SVT Cobra in the article) Shifting is faster with the modern engine of the Camaro and nobody can shift faster than a computer can. I'm quite sure that the SVT Cobra in the article with a modern automatic would get better times than it did.. It is interesting to compare newer more modern cars with older top of the line bad boys of generations past.. This is no exception..

Ok, but I still say it had everything to do with traction.

[Koru]

Originally Posted by bouncertime

V6


V8


Big difference is the fake vent above the grill and a larger front spoiler.

Thank you! I always wondered what the hell people were talking about when they were discussing the bumpers.

[JEFF2010SSMANUAL]

The DIV6 should be very nice.

In CR magazine they tested a CTS with the 263hp V6 with an automatic, the car weighed 3940# and did 0-60 in 6.8, 1/4 mile in 15.3.

So I guess the V6 Camaro weighing 200# less and having the DI 304hp V6, it should run 0-60 in about 6.2, and the 1/4 mile in high 14's.

[Xanthos]

Hows about a better comparison. The weight difference between the LY7 and LLT is negligible. So, 3940 pounds, 304 hp DI. Car and driver brought it to 60 in 5.8 seconds. Drop 200 pounds and you have your camaro.
- Xanthos

[JEFF2010SSMANUAL]

Originally Posted by XanthosV6

Hows about a better comparison. The weight difference between the LY7 and LLT is negligible. So, 3940 pounds, 304 hp DI. Car and driver brought it to 60 in 5.8 seconds. Drop 200 pounds and you have your camaro.
- Xanthos

Quite a difference for 41hp. 1 full second???

I can't see the V6 Camaro doing any better then HIGH 5's to 60. MAX.

[Xanthos]

Originally Posted by JEFF2010SSMANUAL

Quite a difference for 41hp. 1 full second???

I can't see the V6 Camaro doing any better then HIGH 5's to 60. MAX.

The difference comes not from the horsepower improvement, but from the VASTLY improved low end torque.
- Xanthos