vs 2018 Mustang - Page 63

newmoon · 05-16-2018, 07:30 AM

The Trinity out of the 13/14 500s is plenty capable/proven performer. Adding another 50-100 hp shouldn't be a problem at all, maybe slight modifications to allow it to rev a bit higher.

Why spend a whole bunch of dollars on a new engine platform when you already have a capable design. Improve on the GT350R's suspension to handle the additional hp/tq of the 500 and add in a quality auto/dct and the car is going to breath fire.

ihc95 · 05-16-2018, 08:31 AM

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...ng-impressions

2018 GT A10 test by Car and Driver. 0-60 3.8 and 1/4 was 12.1 @ 120mph.

whiteboyblues2001 · 05-16-2018, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ihc95

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...ng-impressions

2018 GT A10 test by Car and Driver. 0-60 3.8 and 1/4 was 12.1 @ 120mph.

Nice! I see you have a 2018 GT PP1 with the A10. How are you liking it? Have you had a chance to get it broken in a bit and explore it's capabilities? Give us your impressions!

DevilsReject97 · 05-16-2018, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Nsxmatt

Calm down dude. This is exactly why I said nobody would believe it. You all are getting worked up over a car that is not even yours. So what if they claim 11's stock. Does this keep you up at night? Does it take away from you enjoying your own car? If not then who cares. It's like everyone here has to justify their own car purchase by talking down the rival from Ford. Let it go people.

LOL You think I'm worked up? Hahaha not even close....

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Originally Posted by ihc95

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...ng-impressions

2018 GT A10 test by Car and Driver. 0-60 3.8 and 1/4 was 12.1 @ 120mph.

Very nice test...

Higher trap speed, faster 0-60, and yet still failed to crack into the 11's....with the same kind of GT A10..

DevilsReject97 · 05-16-2018, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by newmoon

The Trinity out of the 13/14 500s is plenty capable/proven performer. Adding another 50-100 hp shouldn't be a problem at all, maybe slight modifications to allow it to rev a bit higher.

Why spend a whole bunch of dollars on a new engine platform when you already have a capable design. Improve on the GT350R's suspension to handle the additional hp/tq of the 500 and add in a quality auto/dct and the car is going to breath fire.

And it will still fail to be more than a one trick pony, same as the last GT500. Ford is either going to build a ZL1 killer (which they wont) or they are going to go after the Demon (far more likely).

The truth is, most of their demographic for Mustangs (enthusiasts) are drag racers anyways....so it's not a knock on them to do so. In fact, I'd be shocked if they even tried to build a ZL1 killer..

Nsxmatt · 05-16-2018, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

Very nice test...

Higher trap speed, faster 0-60, and yet still failed to crack into the 11's....with the same kind of GT A10..

I'm sure you're smart enough to know automotive magazines use a different testing method than a drag strip run. The same mag listed the Camaro at 12.3. Testing methods being equal the mustang is faster and the Camaro is a known 11 second car at the drag strip.

whiteboyblues2001 · 05-16-2018, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

And it will still fail to be more than a one trick pony, same as the last GT500. Ford is either going to build a ZL1 killer (which they wont) or they are going to go after the Demon (far more likely).

The truth is, most of their demographic for Mustangs (enthusiasts) are drag racers anyways....so it's not a knock on them to do so. In fact, I'd be shocked if they even tried to build a ZL1 killer..

To be honest, the things that I have been following have indicated that the GT350 is the starting point for the new GT500, so this will be a bit of a departure from the last GT500 formula, in that this car will handle as well as go fast in a straight line. Also, there is no way that Ford can compete with the Demon without going to the same type of extremes (like race fuel, drag radials, trans brake, the A/C cooling the intercooler, etc.) And Ford won't have as much displacement available as Dodge, so they aren't going to beat the Demon at the drag strip (unless the car is lighter than the Demon by a big margin). That much is clear.

So, to me, I believe Ford's target here is to become more of an all around car like the ZL1. Hence, why the GT350 is the starting point. I also think, it is taking Ford so long to get this car to market because the focus had to change from going after the top 1/4 mile times, to going after the ZL1 track times. Both the Demon and the ZL1 set the bar very high for their respective areas of expertise.

Therefore, my opinion (take that for what it's worth - namely nothing) is that the GT500 will go after the ZL1 and best it in some or many categories, but perhaps not all. I mean, why release the car if it can't beat the competition. Keep working on it until it does. And they have been working on it for a while.

ihc95 · 05-16-2018, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by whiteboyblues2001

Nice! I see you have a 2018 GT PP1 with the A10. How are you liking it? Have you had a chance to get it broken in a bit and explore it's capabilities? Give us your impressions!

I absolutely love the car so far. I've only had it for 2 weeks so I haven't had a chance to really break it in and push her yet but I can say the new 5.0/A10 combo is phenomenal. I also tested a 2SS with the A8 and I thought it drove amazing as well. I just wasn't a fan of the A8 and the interior. I also prefer the looks of the Mustang.

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Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

Very nice test...

Higher trap speed, faster 0-60, and yet still failed to crack into the 11's....with the same kind of GT A10..

Yeah, it didn't crack 11s but I think it was still a great test, especially considering C&D got a 12.3 @ 116 with the 2016 SS A8 they tested. A 4 mph trap advantage for the Mustang is huge...

DevilsReject97 · 05-16-2018, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Nsxmatt

The same mag listed the Camaro at 12.3. Testing methods being equal the mustang is faster and the Camaro is a known 11 second car at the drag strip.

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Originally Posted by ihc95

Yeah, it didn't crack 11s but I think it was still a great test, especially considering C&D got a 12.3 @ 116 with the 2016 SS A8 they tested. A 4 mph trap advantage for the Mustang is huge...

The same mag listed the Camaro at 12.3... for the 6spd Camaro...not the A8. The A10 went 2/10ths faster than the manual transmission V8 Camaro.

whiteboyblues2001 · 05-16-2018, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ihc95

I absolutely love the car so far. I've only had it for 2 weeks so I haven't had a chance to really break it in and push her yet but I can say the new 5.0/A10 combo is phenomenal. I also tested a 2SS with the A8 and I thought it drove amazing as well. I just wasn't a fan of the A8 and the interior. I also prefer the looks of the Mustang..

So do you plan to take it to a track? 1/4 mile? Road course? Just a daily driver? Garage queen?

How about mods? Are you going to upgrade anything, or personalize it?

Mine's a daily driver that I take on the weekends for HPDE stuff. I want to get out the 1/4 mile track just to say I did it and give it a try, but the HPDE is more interesting to me (but also more expensive). The couple that I have done were an amazing experience!

SpeedIsLife · 05-16-2018, 11:01 AM

120 in the 1/4 for a non-FI car with a MSRP below 50K is seriously hauling the mail.

FastCarFanBoy · 05-16-2018, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

The same mag listed the Camaro at 12.3... for the 6spd Camaro...not the A8. The A10 went 2/10ths faster than the manual transmission V8 Camaro.

C&D lists 12.3 for the A8 as well in the review I read.

Nsxmatt · 05-16-2018, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

The same mag listed the Camaro at 12.3... for the 6spd Camaro...not the A8. The A10 went 2/10ths faster than the manual transmission V8 Camaro.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...ic-test-review

ULTRAZLS1 · 05-16-2018, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ihc95

I absolutely love the car so far. I've only had it for 2 weeks so I haven't had a chance to really break it in and push her yet but I can say the new 5.0/A10 combo is phenomenal. I also tested a 2SS with the A8 and I thought it drove amazing as well. I just wasn't a fan of the A8 and the interior. I also prefer the looks of the Mustang.

Yeah, it didn't crack 11s but I think it was still a great test, especially considering C&D got a 12.3 @ 116 with the 2016 SS A8 they tested. A 4 mph trap advantage for the Mustang is huge...

It’s not showing in any of the races I’ve seen. They are neck and neck. The SS shift to 5th just after 110 hurts it’s trap speed

And it’s only the a10. Looks like the mustang manual is slower than the ss manual. Looks like the coyote can’t compete with the lt1 motor to motor. Needs the gearing and shifting of a drag mode a10 to be on par

Regardless the test wasn’t same day anyway.

05-16-2018, 07:30 AM	#869
newmoon Drives: 2019 GT350 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: NC Posts: 3,232	The Trinity out of the 13/14 500s is plenty capable/proven performer. Adding another 50-100 hp shouldn't be a problem at all, maybe slight modifications to allow it to rev a bit higher. Why spend a whole bunch of dollars on a new engine platform when you already have a capable design. Improve on the GT350R's suspension to handle the additional hp/tq of the 500 and add in a quality auto/dct and the car is going to breath fire. __________________ 2019 GT350 RR 2013 Boss Mustang 2012 SRT Challenger 392 auto 12:40s 112 stock 2012 Ford Mustang 5.0. Brembo, 3:73s 2010 SS, LS3, Cammed, LTs, 12:20s 2004 Redfire Cobra, Pullied & Tuned 1986 GT, Ed Curtis 347ci, 11:20s motor. 10:30s 100-hp shot

05-16-2018, 08:31 AM	#870
ihc95 Drives: 2018 GT PP1 A10 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NJ Posts: 673	https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...ng-impressions 2018 GT A10 test by Car and Driver. 0-60 3.8 and 1/4 was 12.1 @ 120mph.

05-16-2018, 11:01 AM	#879
SpeedIsLife Drives: Current Camaro-less Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Oregon Posts: 3,242	120 in the 1/4 for a non-FI car with a MSRP below 50K is seriously hauling the mail.

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