2011 Mustang 5.0L vs 2010 Camaro SS Dyno Results

[nalinc23]

Originally Posted by EnvyTerra

Sorry but this is a 2004 mustang...


definitely looks different than the current ones.
also 39k what did you put on that thing? I can't get to that price on the ford build site, did you check off every option lol

You're right, I meant 2005...off a year. And I did option it out quite aggressively, I made it identical to my Camaro 2SS and I believe I checked the technology package. Without that it put me closer to $37,000 which is still almost 2 grand more than my 2SS similar equipped. Not a biggie, just saying the Mustang would have to cost less than the Camaro to ever make me consider one

[Cal 20112SS]

Just placed my order on your LT headers. Should have them installed this weekend!

[Fiftydriver]

WBT,

My comments were only based on what the dealer told me. Simply put, the new 5.0L stang produced good HP but needed to be reved higher then the camaro to get these numbers. I have not seen much to disprove this.

He also said that these engines were not as easy to build up as far as money spent compared to output gains. I can not say either way, Last time I was involved with building up a mustang was a friends about 20 years ago and he had a 69. All I can tell you is ford parts were spendy back then, not sure what there are like now, again, just reporting what the dealer told me.

I am not a stang fan, nice cars, I would not own one as they do not feel nearly as solid as the camaro on rougher paved roads and especially while cornering on uneven roads. Where I live, that is a way of life.

[wbt]

Originally Posted by Fiftydriver

WBT,

My comments were only based on what the dealer told me. Simply put, the new 5.0L stang produced good HP but needed to be reved higher then the camaro to get these numbers. I have not seen much to disprove this.

He also said that these engines were not as easy to build up as far as money spent compared to output gains. I can not say either way, Last time I was involved with building up a mustang was a friends about 20 years ago and he had a 69. All I can tell you is ford parts were spendy back then, not sure what there are like now, again, just reporting what the dealer told me.

I am not a stang fan, nice cars, I would not own one as they do not feel nearly as solid as the camaro on rougher paved roads and especially while cornering on uneven roads. Where I live, that is a way of life.

Understood. I think the dealer may have not been as educated as they should be on the 5.0 and it's potential.

1. Does it have a higher RPM/powerband than a LS3/L99? You bet. Remember an engine is an air pump. The more air you can pump through it the more power. The 5.0 being 1.2L down compared against the LS3/L99 means it needs to turn more RPM to move the same amount of air to make equal power. tI rev's very quickly and with it's aggressive gearing, it stays in it's powerband without much trouble.

2. Is the 5.0 maxed out from the factory? Absolutely not. In fact, with similar bolt-ons and tunes, it is on par with the same mods made to the LS3/L99. For example, the 5.0 will respond more to a tune than the LS3/L99 but will gain slightly less with a swap to long tubes compared to the LS3/L99. CAi's net about the same results in comparison.

The 6.2 and 5.0 are both great motors and nothing should be taken away from each IMO as they have their strong points.

[wbt]

Originally Posted by nova

Wait what? You mean to tell me that newer engine is more efficient than an older one. Its almost as if they're making engineering advances as time goes on...

What's your point?

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by Fiftydriver

WBT,

My comments were only based on what the dealer told me. Simply put, the new 5.0L stang produced good HP but needed to be reved higher then the camaro to get these numbers. I have not seen much to disprove this.

You aren't going to see anything to disprove it. The 5.0 is a modular/OHC motor. By nature it will rev higher and makes it's power up higher in the rpm band.

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by wbt

No cams yet but may not be needed with the variable valve timing which can be tuned.

I read that about a week ago Comp Cams posted on their facebook page they were about to offer the details on some 5.0 cams.

And their are a few blower kits available now, or very soon, and at least 1 turbo kit for the 5.0.

[blk5genss]

Originally Posted by wbt

Not to turn this into another vs. thread....

Ford is doing almost the same thing with 1.2L less. That is impressive.

I have owned both the SS 6.2 M6 and the new 5.0 M6 and without a doubt my GT is faster regardless of what the dyno says. (I am talking bone stock 5.0 vs. my old 6.2 with a CAI and cat-back.)

Having had an ss myself I second what he just said!! As a matter of fact my 2012 Boss just went 12.90@111 which is .50 faster than my SS with an Airaid CAI, Diablosport tuner, MBRP Catback, and Pacesetter headers!! The SS has more torque and power however the Boss weighs 3705 with me in it and the SS was 3749 without me in it!! Gears or not stock to stock the Stang will win every time!! Sorry but it is true!!

[S3XPanther]

What is this sorcery? I've never seen this before. Hmm

[Bad70supreme]

Originally Posted by mr_desmo

Your wrong about that one ...stock the ls3 rev 6600rpm while the 5.0 rev 7000rpm....the dyno shows to 6500rpm...the 5.0l plateau after what we see but the ls3 is a cow at hi rpm unless its cammed....and when its cammed it lose the low end advantage....
Guys the ls series engine is pushrod 50 years old technology....enough said

False...my cammed ls3 has much more power at 2000 rpms then it ever did stock! Depends on the cam you use, the smaller ford engine is NOT making the same power, it only matches peak but falls way behind the power under the curve! This is the reason ford has geared there car they way they did, install the same gearing and 20s as the camaro...watch how much slower the mustang is. Add 4.10s and some 19" rims out of the factory for the camaro, and who would have the edge then

As far as old tech... Get real man, nothing is even close to the 1st gen small block except the single cam and pushrods! I will take that setup and install a nice lopey cam over that lame dual over head crap! the mustang is a nice car with a solid power plant, but it has not won this war by any means. I give the mustang props on better gearing, options on gearing and brakes and easier to work at the strip, the camaro wins in the engine department, suspension, and the fact that is just a hole new car and nothing like the last one.

[Flash-SS]

Blah, blah, blah, blah.....

The new 'stang was built specifically to perform on par with our beloved Camaro's. Stock vs stock, it's going to be a drivers race. Arguing mods is apples vs oranges, and ultimately pointless. A determined builder will make a faster car. I have a good friend who has a SRT4 Neon that would embarrass a lot of the s**t talkers on here at the track, including me.

My SS looks better than any Mustang I have ever seen, and that's all it really boils down to. If a GT at a stoplight has a better power to weight ratio or better gears than me, so be it, but the other 3 mustangs at the stoplight with huge spoilers, a God-awful body kit, and a fart can exhaust just invalidated everything Ford did to develop the new 5.0.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by blk5genss

Having had an ss myself I second what he just said!! As a matter of fact my 2012 Boss just went 12.90@111 which is .50 faster than my SS with an Airaid CAI, Diablosport tuner, MBRP Catback, and Pacesetter headers!! The SS has more torque and power however the Boss weighs 3705 with me in it and the SS was 3749 without me in it!! Gears or not stock to stock the Stang will win every time!! Sorry but it is true!!

I agree, before I got rid of the SS, I went to the local 1/8 mile track. Now understand my car was cammed, tuned, LTs, Intake, and running DRs. I raced against a bolt-on 5.0, he had tune and CAI and radials. He beat me. We launched off the line together and after the 100' mark he pulled me, my mph was 89.7 (the best 1/8 mph I have ever gotten), he was 91.5, It was a hot night so the times were not that good. After that race he went on to better his e/t and his mph. I couldn't believe how fast that car was with just a tune and filter.

[Bo White]

Both local dynos show stock m6 5.0 at 370+ and m6 ls3 camaros at 350+
I was at a dyno day were I dynoed 354 stock and there was a 2012 5.0 there that did over 380 on a cold pull. It was stock down to the filter.

[Obzen]

zombie thread! RUN!!!!!!