[Indydriver]

Think about cylinder deactivation....would an engineer have ever come up with this if not forced to by the pressure of artificial CAFE regulations?

In my opinion (admittedly biased by living through the Honda VCM class action), the designers of this god-forsaken "technology" are smart enough to make the computers do it but not smart enough to overcome physics. Think about what the engine is doing. All cylinders continue to reciprocate but some are not firing. During long highway cruises under gentle throttle (i.e., continuous AFM activation), you get differential cooling and ultimately engine oil escaping past the shrinking piston rings.

All I can say is, if you have an AFM vehicle, you better check your oil level at least once per week and it would be a good practice to pay your dealer $300/ year for comprehensive induction cleaning.

[huggercamaro21]

Originally Posted by E.T.

Not really crap I need or care about. Give me a nice interior and a big V8 that sounds good, and I'm happy. To each their own, though.

There are cars that do that haha. "You" may not care about it, but it sure isn't crap. I agree though, "to each their own."

[GTIanZ28]

Originally Posted by E.T.

Looking back at the article, I see that the base price is a lot less than $38K, so I guess the real question is, who in their right mind is going to blow that much on a fully-optioned V6 when they can get an SS or a 'Stang GT for the same or less?

This guy. $38,450 is my MSRP.

I don't need / want a V8. I want leather and all the goodies. You are right I could have bought a bare bones base SS at this price.

New improved V6 engine with 335 hp in a ~3500 lb car. 0-60 in just over 5 seconds and over 100 mph in the 1/4. Perhaps you have missed previous discussions. This is faster than the LT1 gen 4 camaro's.

A BMW 228i (turbo 4) MSRP is $44,000 optioned out.
The 235i MSRP is $55,000 optioned out!!!

I've now done comparison pricing on 3 different cars for you. Do we need to keep going?

[huggercamaro21]

Originally Posted by GTIanZ28

This guy. $38,450 is my MSRP.

I don't need / want a V8. I want leather and all the goodies. You are right I could have bought a bare bones base SS at this price.

New improved V6 engine with 335 hp in a ~3500 lb car. 0-60 in just over 5 seconds and over 100 mph in the 1/4. Perhaps you have missed previous discussions. This is faster than the LT1 gen 4 camaro's.

A BMW 228i (turbo 4) MSRP is $44,000 optioned out.
The 235i MSRP is $55,000 optioned out!!!

I've now done comparison pricing on 3 different cars for you. Do we need to keep going?

This is the perfect response! Some people just want all the goodies. Some want the V8 and nothing more. Some want it all. There is no right and wrong!

[Sledgehammer70]

I was told that on the V8 you can turn the AFM off when setting the car to track or sports mode.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Tr6

I would really like to see proof for that before I would believe it truly. Technically it is possible while being unlikely.

I am looking into the ability of using GM points for my 2016 however they do not have any 2016s on their website and I called, just waiting for them check and call me back. I also do belong to the GM supplier discounts (via textron). They do NOT offer them for 2016 camaros currently. They may update them by the time I am going to the dealership to buy it however, currently there is no such incentive (Link to gm supplier discount) which updated 10/1/15. Perhaps a new update will change it, which should happen 11/1/15.

There are however incentives for being a GM employee or dealership employee but that's about it.

Check out the pricing/section of the forum. Some guys have found other discounts like Farm Bureau. I'm not up to date on them since I'm not in the market yet.

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[E.T.]

Originally Posted by huggercamaro21

This is the perfect response! Some people just want all the goodies. Some want the V8 and nothing more. Some want it all. There is no right and wrong!

Fine, but Camaros aren't luxury cars. If you want the goodies, buy a luxury car. If you want power, buy a V8. Guys, feel free to blow your money on whatever you want, but paying damn near $40K for a V6 Camaro?? Guess that's how GM stays in business.

[DevonK]

Back to the review....

Advice I'll be following if I buy:

Don’t even consider buying a Camaro without the blind-spot alert, camera and parking assist. The car may be entirely new, but the small windows, large blind spots and limited visibility will feel familiar to anybody who drove the last generation Camaro coupe.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by E.T.

Fine, but Camaros aren't luxury cars. If you want the goodies, buy a luxury car. If you want power, buy a V8. Guys, feel free to blow your money on whatever you want, but paying damn near $40K for a V6 Camaro?? Guess that's how GM stays in business.

Exactly, they stay in business and still make a Camaro because they build cars for people other than V8s.

[huggercamaro21]

Originally Posted by E.T.

Fine, but Camaros aren't luxury cars. If you want the goodies, buy a luxury car. If you want power, buy a V8. Guys, feel free to blow your money on whatever you want, but paying damn near $40K for a V6 Camaro?? Guess that's how GM stays in business.

Dear, it is 2016. This is not 2005, 2007 or 2012. People can get heated in cooled seats with lane assist in a 30k dollar CUV. If they are purchasing a mid $30k car, it better have all that stuff. If you do not want it, thats ok, you dont have to get it. But some people want to have a cooled butt while cruising around in a big V8 muscle car.

[huggercamaro21]

Originally Posted by DevonK

Back to the review....

Advice I'll be following if I buy:

And yet we managed on the 5th gen.....

[DenverTaco07]

Originally Posted by Indydriver

Think about cylinder deactivation....would an engineer have ever come up with this if not forced to by the pressure of artificial CAFE regulations?

Umm...sure, remember $4.00 a gallon gasoline - the market will also drive innovation, we may not like them, but others do. Regulations are often driven by us consumers and citizens, some agree some don't.

[khell86]

You're looking at about 33K for an ecoboost mustang equally equipped. Throw another 2K on there if you want the performance package.

[E.T.]

Originally Posted by DenverTaco07

Umm...sure, remember $4.00 a gallon gasoline - the market will also drive innovation, we may not like them, but others do. Regulations are often driven by us consumers and citizens, some agree some don't.

Not sure what the reasoning for AFM was...probably mostly govt. crap and also to avoid a gas guzzler tax (which is more govt. crap). Bottom line for me is, it's garbage. The funny thing is, most of the people with V8s and V6 and AFM are driving around a 4-banger most of the time. Personally, I wanted a V8 all the time, so I had AFM deleted.

When it comes to this car, I probably have a different mindset than most because it's not my DD. Personally, I would not want a nice Camaro (or any nice car as a DD). Too many morons on the road.