ABL (ambient lighting) limited to the doors only?

[Sizzox]

I don't care what any of you guys say If you take delivery of your car without the lighting on first sight of your car some little lights on the dash is not gonna bother you. And with the first drive those lights are not going to matter with the 426hp rumbling. I will not be angry at all if those little lights are not on the car. I don't care if the price stays the same because we are all getting one heck of a deal for a car this nice and this thought out.

[Tal]

IF there is a problem having it ready on time there's a simple solution that will make a lot of people happy.

1) Knock the 2LT/2SS price down just a little until it's added.
2) Offer the ambient as a dealer installed upgrade when it's ready.

This would result in early buyers that wanted ABL paying a little more for it, as the dealer upgrade would surely be more than the factory discount so it's not a perfect but it's the closest thing there is, aside from shipping with ABL from day 1.

[UCF w00t]

Originally Posted by Milk 1027

I guess this means nothing to everyone but me.

To be honest, it doesn't mean much to me. I hang on every word fbodfather types. With that said, he hasn't said anything worthwhile on ABL other than "we're working on it" which doesn't really say much at all. What I want to know (but I'm sure we're never going to hear):
What's the current problem?
Do they have a workable fix to the problem?
Will the fix require modifications to the locations/look of the ABL?
What's the odds of it getting done right by production?

And there's different definitions of "right." Maybe Scott considers just on the doors to be right as long as those pieces look right? Or maybe he's saying they're going to do the dash and doors or nothing at all? Then why would they promise ABL to the world (in affect, through video) only on the doors and not dash as well? Did the product specialist simply forget that part of his script?

And besides, what would this forum be if we didn't speculate on the unknown?

[Angrybird 12]

I thought the whole thing was when you start the car the lights start out in the middle of the dash and travels outward across the dash along to the doors and then the dash fades out and the door ABL stay lit... maybe I am wrong but that was my understanding how they were supposed to work.

[eggydoo]

Honestly the main reason I ordered the 2SS is for the little small things to make it extra special, ABL is one of them.

[dbotsfordtat]

Originally Posted by UCF w00t

To be honest, it doesn't mean much to me. I hang on every word fbodfather types. With that said, he hasn't said anything worthwhile on ABL other than "we're working on it" which doesn't really say much at all. What I want to know (but I'm sure we're never going to hear):
What's the current problem?
Do they have a workable fix to the problem?
Will the fix require modifications to the locations/look of the ABL?
What's the odds of it getting done right by production?

And there's different definitions of "right." Maybe Scott considers just on the doors to be right as long as those pieces look right? Or maybe he's saying they're going to do the dash and doors or nothing at all? Then why would they promise ABL to the world (in affect, through video) only on the doors and not dash as well? Did the product specialist simply forget that part of his script?

And besides, what would this forum be if we didn't speculate on the unknown?

Agreed, I want to be respectful to Scott and all GM's rep's but I am really getting tired of all the secrecy. It's go time now, is ABL working or not? I've got better things to be doing with my time and deposit.

[StoutFiles]

I don't care what any of you guys say If you take delivery of your car without the lighting on first sight of your car some little lights on the dash is not gonna bother you. And with the first drive those lights are not going to matter with the 426hp rumbling. I will not be angry at all if those little lights are not on the car. I don't care if the price stays the same because we are all getting one heck of a deal for a car this nice and this thought out.

I have to assume you're getting the 2SS or else your post doesn't mean anything. Also, I have to assume you're still buying this car all by yourself at 19 which you've mentioned earlier.

Even if you don't care about ABL, I would think you'd want some money back for an unfinished product you paid for. Also, I would think you'd want your car value to increase by having ABL, which it will since all future models will have it as well.

[Croathlete]

I'm really starting to feel bad for posting this info and causing Scott (and I'm sure a few others) so much grief. We've trusted GM to get this car right for the last 2-3 years. They didn't tell us every little detail along the way. They know how badly we want this car and how we want it done.

Look at how amazing this car is already. Do you really think if the ABL looked bad that they would keep it that way? Let's trust them for these last few weeks to figure out whatever it is they need to get ABL right. It's really disappointing to see all this GM-bashing after letting us in on the development of this car in more ways than they needed to.

We kept the faith all this time, why not now?

[Edrock]

Everyone settle down...settle down. We've got more than a month (40+ days) to go before the 1st prod car is made. There is still time to iron out issues or make changes. Also remember, be prepared to deal with the possibility that something about this car may indeed change. Ultimately, GM's goal is to put out as near perfect a product as they can and if issues arrise to where they may have to make a hard decision to change the offerings a bit, guess what...they will. They need to put out a quality car, not one that has options that half-way work and take the risk that the consumer base sees this car in a negative light. Maybe in the past they could take such risks but during these economic times, this is it. It's all on the line.

So relax and think positive. Look forward to what it is going to feel like cruising around in this fantastic machine. It's going to be OK. Just relax.

[LadiesMan217]

The ABL is one of the only things about the interior that I actually like.

I don't really like the Playstation-controller-esque center stack...and it actually almost pushed me away from the Camaro.

I like the main gauge cluster...very retro...but that and the ABL are really the only interior features I like.

I will be VERY disappointed if the ABL isn't available at launch and this is really one of the major reasons I haven't pre-ordered yet.

Not having a convertible within the year brought my excitement down.
I talk myself into going with the Coupe.
No HUD...eh, I can live with it but I wish it was there.
Now ABL is iffy (going by Scott's post...if it's not done right, it won't be done at all or it will be delayed until it is right).

[UCF w00t]

Originally Posted by Croathlete

I'm really starting to feel bad for posting this info and causing Scott (and I'm sure a few others) so much grief. We've trusted GM to get this car right for the last 2-3 years. They didn't tell us every little detail along the way. They know how badly we want this car and how we want it done.

Look at how amazing this car is already. Do you really think if the ABL looked bad that they would keep it that way? Let's trust them for these last few weeks to figure out whatever it is they need to get ABL right. It's really disappointing to see all this GM-bashing after letting us in on the development of this car in more ways than they needed to.

We kept the faith all this time, why not now?

These orders are going to be pulled to production rather soon. I'd like to know before then what I'm getting. We haven't seen pictures, we've barely seen video (of an old pre-pro car from Abu Dabi of all places). The difference between the past and now is that it's getting to be decision time for many people. They could garner a lot more trust if they just told us what is going on. I mean they could easily say something like "A problem was found with high temperatures. We're looking at different LED sources to resolve it. We will likely have this resolved before production. If not, we'll delay 2LT/2SS orders until it is resolved which should not take long." (of course replace with actual problem, actual resolution, etc)

We're all big boys and girls here, they don't have to protect us from this kind of information.

And where in the hell do you see GM bashing in this thread? If you do I hope you wear ear plugs at all times so people don't hurt your feelings.

[LadiesMan217]

Originally Posted by UCF w00t

These orders are going to be pulled to production rather soon. I'd like to know before then what I'm getting. We haven't seen pictures, we've barely seen video (of an old pre-pro car from Abu Dabi of all places). The difference between the past and now is that it's getting to be decision time for many people. They could garner a lot more trust if they just told us what is going on. I mean they could easily say something like "A problem was found with high temperatures. We're looking at different LED sources to resolve it. We will likely have this resolved before production. If not, we'll delay 2LT/2SS orders until it is resolved which should not take long." (of course replace with actual problem, actual resolution, etc)

We're all big boys and girls here, they don't have to protect us from this kind of information.

You hit the nail on the head sir. Well put.

The vehicle I spec'd out is coming in at $38K
That's a lot of money to not know what you're getting.

The ABL is actually enough to sway me from getting the 2SS. The reason I want to go with the 2SS is for the ABL and leather. Just leather isn't enough for me to spend that much money.

Not knowing has me not pre-ordering. If I knew one way or the other...there's a great chance I would've by now. (Whether it be 1SS or 2SS)

For me, that's really the only outstanding issue holding me up.

Scott and the GM gang have been very upfront with us throughout this long ordeal. I'm not losing faith in GM...I am sure they will put out the best Camaro for us...that they can. What I am just concerned about it what package I should get.

[Sizzox]

Originally Posted by StoutFiles

I have to assume you're getting the 2SS or else your post doesn't mean anything. Also, I have to assume you're still buying this car all by yourself at 19 which you've mentioned earlier.

Even if you don't care about ABL, I would think you'd want some money back for an unfinished product you paid for. Also, I would think you'd want your car value to increase by having ABL, which it will since all future models will have it as well.

Yeah I am getting the 2SS and Yes I am paying for it myself. I don't care if the lights are on there or not it's a muscle car not a ricer with neon lights inside it haha jk but the lights are not a deal breaker for me and no I do not care for any money back or off the sale of the car because like i said its a good deal anyways and I like the car for what it is. The value of the car doesn't matter either because I will be keeping this car for as long as possible. If its that big of a deal I will add it later but it can't be to expensive for this mod.


Edit: And if they delay building the 2LT and 2SS cars I would rather them just build my car then get the lights on it. They're not that big of a deal.

[1_2Many]

How hard is it to get lights to work??? This is very strange. There are some LED lamps at Spencers gifts that work just fine and they were designed by Chinese forced labor workers...maybe GM should outsource?