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TheFlyingBananaSS · 03-02-2021, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RupertPupkin

I was thinking of just rolling in with the 93, tune that, and then add in the flex fuel. I have 2 5 gallon canisters that I can put in e85.

This is what CSP requested me to do. They said just make sure it's about 1/8 tank of 93 to start and bring 10 gallons of 85 separate from the 93.

1JEWLDSSRS · 03-02-2021, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFlyingBananaSS

So basically he's too lazy to do it the right way unless you pay extra? Tank doesn't not need to be drained either. As long as it's near empty, you can dump in 10 gallons of 85 and roll that for the tune. The top shops in the country do it this way.

Agreed here ^^ been following this one. When my bud took his ZL1 in to do the E85 tune on it, they asked him to bring it in with as little 93 in the tank as possible and he also took 10 gallons of E85 with him in the trunk to put in the tank after they did the 93 tune, as he did a pully swap and the flex fuel sensor install and had to have it re-tuned for that, so he went in with just enough to re-tune the 93 tune, then installed the E85 and did that tune.

RupertPupkin · 03-02-2021, 06:19 PM

That’s what I told the shop. They said sure, bring it in that way.

F****ng hot start. Chillin at the gas station contemplating on life. Lol

RupertPupkin · 03-02-2021, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFlyingBananaSS

This is what CSP requested me to do. They said just make sure it's about 1/8 tank of 93 to start and bring 10 gallons of 85 separate from the 93.

I hope he does a video of your car on YouTube. Hope he full sends it to 800whp+, and doesn’t bitch out. Lol

He did on this video. https://youtu.be/zH4UdNCarL8

Could’ve gone 800....but nope

TheFlyingBananaSS · 03-02-2021, 09:42 PM

Hahaha. I asked to video it and send me a copy so who knows I guess it is possible.

I'm glad you got your issue sorted. Had me worried for a bit.

Those guys are gonna crap their pants when my car clears out the shop on dyno day

eLeSthree · 03-03-2021, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by RupertPupkin

Yup both in the tank when I drop it off. Here’s the response..

“That the beauty of flex fuel and it really does not matter the mix. Yes you would make the most power with 100% E85 but for tuning the car we can deal with a mix. If you desire true 93 vs E85 dyno graphs, then the car would need to arrive on 100% 93 to start. Then we would have to drain that out of the tank and put E85 in to make a final dyno run. There are associated labor charges for that process. It can be done but it only gets you numbers on a piece of paper. Just depends on how much that piece of paper is worth to you I guess.”

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Originally Posted by TheFlyingBananaSS

So basically he's too lazy to do it the right way unless you pay extra? Tank doesn't not need to be drained either. As long as it's near empty, you can dump in 10 gallons of 85 and roll that for the tune. The top shops in the country do it this way.

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Originally Posted by TheFlyingBananaSS

This is what CSP requested me to do. They said just make sure it's about 1/8 tank of 93 to start and bring 10 gallons of 85 separate from the 93.

Both tuners are saying the same thing. The absolute best way is to tune the car on 93, and then tune the car on the highest ethanol content you will ever put in the car. Which could be 85 % ethanol.

But he can tune the car on E69 or whatever you'll end up with once you mix 93 and E. But someday down the road, you may end up with true 85% ethanol in the car, and depending how he setup the tune, it may either:

1. advance timing to an area you have never hit before and it may show knock retard or it may make more power. Who knows, never been tested on your car.

2. Or if he setup the tune on the safe side, and assumed the E69 you brought him would be the best content it would ever see, you would not advance timing more with better E, and you may not make more power.

Do you follow?

TheFlyingBananaSS · 03-03-2021, 06:22 AM

Sure do. Thanks!

RupertPupkin · 03-03-2021, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by eLeSthree

Both tuners are saying the same thing. The absolute best way is to tune the car on 93, and then tune the car on the highest ethanol content you will ever put in the car. Which could be 85 % ethanol.

But he can tune the car on E69 or whatever you'll end up with once you mix 93 and E. But someday down the road, you may end up with true 85% ethanol in the car, and depending how he setup the tune, it may either:

1. advance timing to an area you have never hit before and it may show knock retard or it may make more power. Who knows, never been tested on your car.

2. Or if he setup the tune on the safe side, and assumed the E69 you brought him would be the best content it would ever see, you would not advance timing more with better E, and you may not make more power.

Do you follow?

The avg E % I see all the time is 70. I’ve ran full “e85” in the tank and still shows 70, maybe 75.

As long as they’re not cutting corners, and get my concerns addressed, then I’m happy.

BuddyLee · 03-03-2021, 07:36 AM

Until now I had not heard of E85 although I did buy "aviation fuel" at the strip for higher octane. I looked for E85 stations in the my state, Washington, and found 5 and none anywhere near to me. For me this is not practical yet it is appealing because I suspect the stock 2013 Camaro is set up for flex fuel operation.

TheFlyingBananaSS · 03-03-2021, 08:27 AM

Very true. Cutting corners on a built engine is a big no no. The tune and electronic components in today's cars play a very significant part of preventing a catastrophic failure. Do it right the first time.

dreksnot · 03-03-2021, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by TheFlyingBananaSS

Very true. Cutting corners on a built engine is a big no no. The tune and electronic components in today's cars play a very significant part of preventing a catastrophic failure. Do it right the first time.

It cost lots of money either way. Just takes more money and more time to fix it. The old saying: "You never have the time to do it right but you always have time to fix it" isn't what you want to do. Bite the bullet.

RupertPupkin · 03-03-2021, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BuddyLee

Until now I had not heard of E85 although I did buy "aviation fuel" at the strip for higher octane. I looked for E85 stations in the my state, Washington, and found 5 and none anywhere near to me. For me this is not practical yet it is appealing because I suspect the stock 2013 Camaro is set up for flex fuel operation.

Just need flex fuel sensor and in a case by case basis injectors and new pump. It all depends on what you’re trying to run. E85 is cheap fun juice. Smells better than 93 if you’re running a car less setup.

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Originally Posted by TheFlyingBananaSS

Very true. Cutting corners on a built engine is a big no no. The tune and electronic components in today's cars play a very significant part of preventing a catastrophic failure. Do it right the first time.

Yeah. I should’ve cut ties with Juiced as soon as the 2nd/3rd time I went out there. Filed a claim on them too since it never worked. Oh well. Here I am trying to get it right. Still way cheaper than if I had gone to a different shop though to get the build.

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Originally Posted by dreksnot

It cost lots of money either way. Just takes more money and more time to fix it. The old saying: "You never have the time to do it right but you always have time to fix it" isn't what you want to do. Bite the bullet.

Luckily, I’m still on the cheaper spectrum of things. However, the time part, it’s been a shit show. Race car problems I guess... Lol

03-02-2021, 06:19 PM	#17
RupertPupkin Drives: 2014 Camaro SS 1Le Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: IL Posts: 1,583	That’s what I told the shop. They said sure, bring it in that way. F****ng hot start. Chillin at the gas station contemplating on life. Lol __________________ 2014 SS 1LE Money Pit/ Forged 402 CAM 22X/24X, .619/.617, 113 LSA/ LS9 Heads FIC 1200cc/DSX Aux Pump//McLeod RXT Clutch 730whp: 630Trq

03-02-2021, 09:42 PM	#19
TheFlyingBananaSS Evil Genius of Chevrolet Drives: 2017 Z06, 2019 XTS, 2013 SS Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: New York Posts: 3,260	Hahaha. I asked to video it and send me a copy so who knows I guess it is possible. I'm glad you got your issue sorted. Had me worried for a bit. Those guys are gonna crap their pants when my car clears out the shop on dyno day __________________ GPI SS2 VVT cam, ECS Novi 1500 supercharger, Corsa Extreme, Detroit Speed and BMR suspension, Circle D triple disc, Melling oil pump, LS2 chain tensioner, ATI 10% UD, DSX E85 kit, High Energy coils, BTR springs, LS2 Lifter trays, Titanium retainers, hardened push rods, FIC 1000 injectors, ZL1 pump, Mighty Mouse catch can, AEM gauges, Tial BOV, Richmond 3.91 gears, Custom gauge bezels, Speed Engineering headers, Stainless Works HF cats, DSX Aux pump, 710rwhp on E85.

03-03-2021, 06:22 AM	#21
TheFlyingBananaSS Evil Genius of Chevrolet Drives: 2017 Z06, 2019 XTS, 2013 SS Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: New York Posts: 3,260	Sure do. Thanks! __________________ GPI SS2 VVT cam, ECS Novi 1500 supercharger, Corsa Extreme, Detroit Speed and BMR suspension, Circle D triple disc, Melling oil pump, LS2 chain tensioner, ATI 10% UD, DSX E85 kit, High Energy coils, BTR springs, LS2 Lifter trays, Titanium retainers, hardened push rods, FIC 1000 injectors, ZL1 pump, Mighty Mouse catch can, AEM gauges, Tial BOV, Richmond 3.91 gears, Custom gauge bezels, Speed Engineering headers, Stainless Works HF cats, DSX Aux pump, 710rwhp on E85.

03-03-2021, 08:27 AM	#24
TheFlyingBananaSS Evil Genius of Chevrolet Drives: 2017 Z06, 2019 XTS, 2013 SS Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: New York Posts: 3,260	Very true. Cutting corners on a built engine is a big no no. The tune and electronic components in today's cars play a very significant part of preventing a catastrophic failure. Do it right the first time. __________________ GPI SS2 VVT cam, ECS Novi 1500 supercharger, Corsa Extreme, Detroit Speed and BMR suspension, Circle D triple disc, Melling oil pump, LS2 chain tensioner, ATI 10% UD, DSX E85 kit, High Energy coils, BTR springs, LS2 Lifter trays, Titanium retainers, hardened push rods, FIC 1000 injectors, ZL1 pump, Mighty Mouse catch can, AEM gauges, Tial BOV, Richmond 3.91 gears, Custom gauge bezels, Speed Engineering headers, Stainless Works HF cats, DSX Aux pump, 710rwhp on E85.

03-03-2021, 07:36 AM	#23
BuddyLee Drives: 2013 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 802	Until now I had not heard of E85 although I did buy "aviation fuel" at the strip for higher octane. I looked for E85 stations in the my state, Washington, and found 5 and none anywhere near to me. For me this is not practical yet it is appealing because I suspect the stock 2013 Camaro is set up for flex fuel operation.