Forget the Z28...get straight to the ZL1

[TRIXXTERR]

Originally Posted by TAG UR IT

This the one ya'll were talking about?

Yeah Thats the ONE I was tlking about... But For Some reason I ONLY HAVE the one pic of the badge...Hmm Wonder what happened to the rest of them.. ANDi am pretty sure the sticker said it was 1 of 30 or some thing like that.. But there were alot of cars there, that were Special Editions and what not I was Actually Surprised to see TWO Dick harrell Editions there.. Dang I'm Ready To Go Back to INDY aready....

Btw Got Anymore of those ZL1 Pix Tag??.. If Ya Do And Have a chance Email them to me..Thanx

[xl1200r]

Am I the only one that thinks, if they were to make a Z/28 model, it should use a destroked engine? I'm not sure if any of the LSX engines use anything less than a 92mm stroke, but I think the same 4.06" bore with a stroke in the 3.15" range would make for a sick, high-revving and really fun car to drive. A 3.16" stroke makes a 327 cid, which is a "classic" displacement to boot.

[LSxJunkie]

Originally Posted by headpunter

because the zl1 was a better car then the z/28

If by "better", you mean faster in a straight line, then sure.

Originally Posted by The_Blur

The Z28 is a Z-Camaro. The Z06 is a Z-Corvette. When in history has a Camaro been faster than a Corvette out of the factory? The Z28 is designed to be subordinate to the Z06, not because Z06 is lower (Z-cars are not ranked, per se), but because Corvettes are faster than Camaros.

So much folly my head hurts. Z28, Z06, Z16, Z27....THESE ARE ALL JUST RPOS. There is no concept of Z-anything at GM. A 1969 V6 RS is still a "Z-car" (Z22), just because that's the RPO for the RS trim package.

Originally Posted by nester7929

Well, historically the SS has always been faster than any of the number series (when they exist). Likewise, the Camaro z/28 has always been inferior to the Camaro SS. It's a completely reborn Camaro, I say it's time to create a new legacy by going with something original. I'd rather see GM use a moniker that has never been used before.

Historically, that's ridiculous. Do you know what the Super Sport option package was? RPO Z27. Just because they didn't call it a Z27, doesn't mean it wasn't one. Again, inferior?

Holy Christ. The original Z28 was a purpose built car, a homologation car for the SCCA Trans Am series. It included a bespoke handling package, the Trans Am legal DZ302 (an AMAZING MOTOR), and the M21. You couldn't combine automatic or Air-Conditioning with the Z28 option.

If you dished out the money for the factory headers (headers in the trunk), the illegally loud NC8 chambered exhaust, and the cross ram intake with dual 4-bbls, you had an 11.0:1 small block that would easily make 400 hp and scream to 8 grand.

Read that again. This is a Chevy pushrod V8, designed in 1967, that will rev to 8k happily.

Combine that with the JL8 brakes and you had a car that was now a complete package, handling/braking/power.

Add some niceties like the Deluxe Interior, Z22 RS trim package, and you had a damned quick Camaro that handled, stopped, and was a nice place to be.

Originally Posted by xl1200r

Am I the only one that thinks, if they were to make a Z/28 model, it should use a destroked engine? I'm not sure if any of the LSX engines use anything less than a 92mm stroke, but I think the same 4.06" bore with a stroke in the 3.15" range would make for a sick, high-revving and really fun car to drive. A 3.16" stroke makes a 327 cid, which is a "classic" displacement to boot.

Out of an LS3, to get a 302 you'd need a 2.92 stroke. That's one hell of an oversquare motor.

To get 327, you'd need a 3.16 stroke.

[xl1200r]

Out of an LS3, to get a 302 you'd need a 2.92 stroke. That's one hell of an oversquare motor.

To get 327, you'd need a 3.16 stroke.

I never said to get to 302, and I already said a 3.16 would yeild a 327.

[LSxJunkie]

Originally Posted by xl1200r

I never said to get to 302, and I already said a 3.16 would yeild a 327.

You said Z/28 and heritage, so I thought 302, especially after my rant about people having no idea what Z/28 meant or where it came from. That's why I threw that figure out there. I wasn't saying you were wrong.

[lalometalik]

z28 history class

[radz28]

Ya' know... a smaller displacement engine makes a lot of sense to me too. Lower emissions, better fuel economy, etc. Gen. V displacing 327? Actually, we already have close to a 327 (5.3 truck engine) but it's not the high-rev'ing short stroke large bore engine discussed. Interesting - but let's not deviate much more from the topic.

How about someone open up another one with this content (AND DON'T CALL IT A Z28-WHATEVER THREAD )

[wildpaws]

Originally Posted by LSxJunkie

So much folly my head hurts. Z28, Z06, Z16, Z27....THESE ARE ALL JUST RPOS. There is no concept of Z-anything at GM. A 1969 V6 RS is still a "Z-car" (Z22), just because that's the RPO for the RS trim package.

One slight correction, in 1969 they were L6 engines rather than V6.
Clyde

[ponycrusher21]

i cant stand people saying that a zl1 or z28 will cost 80 grand when the new ctsv only costs 59,995.

[radz28]

EEEKKKK!!!! A $60K Camaro?! Youch!!! Let's see what they could do for $45K

[headpunter]

we arent talking about that level of car, i atleast am refering to a car to destroy the gt500kr

[LSxJunkie]

Originally Posted by wildpaws

One slight correction, in 1969 they were L6 engines rather than V6.
Clyde

You're right.

[35thanniversaryphil]

First of all, I think I speak for many people on this forum, GM made a mistake and will make an even bigger mistake with the model organization of the 5th generation Camaro. The Camaro model organization has always been like this:

RS < Z28 < SS < ZL1

I believe that GM will use the "Z28" name for the new high performance Camaro made to compete with the Mustang Shelby GT500. This is a grave error because the Z28 is supposed to have less performance than the SS. If anything the new high performance Camaro planed with the de-tuned LS9 engine(Same engine found in the new Cadillac CTS-V rated at 550HP) should be called the Camaro ZL1.

The Camaro model organization should have gone like this:

RS Camaro = 3.6L V6 with 304HP
Z28 Camaro = 6.2L LS3 V8 with 426HP
SS Camaro = 6.2L LS3 V8 with around 500HP
ZL1 Camaro = 6.2L Supercharged LSA with around 600HP

But instead reality is starting and will probably end up looking like this:

Base LS then LT Camaro = 3.6L V6 with 304HP
SS Camaro = 6.2L LS3 V8 with 426HP
Z28 Camaro = 6.2L Supercharged LS9 with around 550HP
ZL1 Camaro = ???

As you can see the model line is all screwed up but the worst part is GM could have done a lot better with parts and names that already exit since all the engines I mentioned already exit in GM's current product lineup. The only way to fix things will be to name Chevrolet's new high performance car with the supercharged LS9 the Camaro ZL1.

Before i wrote my opinion on the matter, I went to do a little research to make sure everything I said was true. The only time the Z28 was above the SS power wise was when the SS model was deleted from the lineup in 1973 till 1996 when Gm resurected the SS with the help of SLP Perfromance. Furthermore, the only car above the SS is the ZL1 although it was produced in limited quantities(69) in 1969 because of a GM loophole called COPO and again in 2002 with the help of GMMG Inc. They again produced 69 Camaro ZL1 in 2002 to commemorate the 69 Camaro ZL1 in 1969.

Hope GM makes the right decision when they come out with this new Camaro!

[garagelogic]

Originally Posted by 1_2Many

I think a better option than the Z28 model would be to put the Corvette ZR1 engine in the Camaro and call it a ZL1.

This seems like a more worthy advisary to the Mustang GT500KR.

Ummm...in case you missed it, Ford does not even currently offer a GT500KR. A specific number of those cars were built to celebrate the anniversary of the original 1968 GT500KR and that was all that will ever be made.

I know that has nothing to do with a ZL1 Camaro, but let's face it, what would be GM's incentive it greenlight such a project?