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Old 02-28-2010, 07:24 PM   #15
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No, they dont even get close. Car rides more agressive and feels like a sports car and not a boat.
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Old 02-28-2010, 07:38 PM   #16
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are you running the eibach 1"? i would think when you launch the car at the track you might hit the stop and throw the car back forward?
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Old 02-28-2010, 09:41 PM   #17
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Yes, no they do not hit.
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First to break into the 5's (5.97) 1/8th mile
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Old 03-29-2010, 05:44 PM   #18
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Hi SGOS252382!

Just thought I would offer my opinion on your questions, and our experience with our customers. We sell 1.25" Drop Springs, and have a lot of customers who drag race with these springs. None of them have reported any negative effects as a result of having them installed, or having an extra .25" drop than competitors. The spring rate is increased appropriately, but do not take this as having a harsh ride whatsoever. We pride ourselves on providing suspension solutions that offer the the best compromise for performance and comfort on the street. A lot of engineering has gone into our products, in the form of development and testing, for this very reason.

And, with that said, if you are concerned about wheel hop, I can tell you that our new Trailing Arm Kit has had a TON of success in eliminating this. Our customers who have been concerned with this have all came back and said it was gone after installing the trailing arms. Some even said that one side was bent from launching. Just a suggestion if you are looking for a solution. Let me know if you have any questions! Thanks for posting your questions!
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Old 04-02-2010, 02:32 AM   #19
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What's the spring rates on the stock vs Eibachs? In the Cobra community Eibach is considered to be by far the crappiest spring choice you can make. This is based on their spring rates/poor quality control and weak customer support. I myself unknowingly got tangled up with Eibach springs, and my research opened my eyes to the problems experienced by many.
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Old 04-02-2010, 05:08 PM   #20
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That's good to know. I was afraid they would somehow cause traction issues or maybe increase wheel hop. Saturday I experienced a little wheel hop for the first time in my A6. It wasn't much, but it was enough to slow me down just a bit.

IRS cars tend to squat heavily at the drag strip which is good for initiating weight transfer but bad for tire contact area. The more squat, the more negative camber and the less tire contact. Additionally, too much power combined with good tires will eventually cause the suspension to bottom out. We ran into this problem years ago with our Project GTO. As our power grew, the 60 ft/times dropped until we were bouncing off the bump stops and unloading the suspension. The point I am working towards is that lowering springs typically have an increased spring rate to compensate for the drop so up to a point they usually have a positive effect in aiding traction at launch because they resist squat better but they also put you closer to the bump stop. On a street/strip car with an IRS, the difference will be marginal and I doubt you will have any issues.

What is sometimes misunderstood is the statement that lowering a car creates wheel hop. This is only the case on some solid axle cars with link type suspensions. The reason is that it alters the suspension geometry, effecting the vehicles anti-squat capabilities. Thankfully, this does not happen with an IRS car...
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Old 04-10-2010, 02:35 PM   #21
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To start, unbolt your front sway bar and tie it up so it do it doesnt hit any thing- this is for the drag strip only,next you cannot compare a Gen 3 -Gen 4 to a Gen 5 chassis setup due to totally different suspensions and stay with a stiffer spring in the rear. Also get the biggest swaybar you can get for the rear.The problem with the new Camaro is you cant change the I.C. in car,in drag racing this is important, thats why we are making a straight axle conversion.

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Old 04-10-2010, 08:15 PM   #22
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I have real bad wheel hop, i need some help big time! my car is ls3 stock everything. I lost time at the track because of the hop. 13.8 was the best time i got any mods that can help eliminate the problem.
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Old 04-11-2010, 09:05 AM   #23
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IRS cars tend to squat heavily at the drag strip which is good for initiating weight transfer but bad for tire contact area. The more squat, the more negative camber and the less tire contact. Additionally, too much power combined with good tires will eventually cause the suspension to bottom out. We ran into this problem years ago with our Project GTO. As our power grew, the 60 ft/times dropped until we were bouncing off the bump stops and unloading the suspension. The point I am working towards is that lowering springs typically have an increased spring rate to compensate for the drop so up to a point they usually have a positive effect in aiding traction at launch because they resist squat better but they also put you closer to the bump stop. On a street/strip car with an IRS, the difference will be marginal and I doubt you will have any issues.

What is sometimes misunderstood is the statement that lowering a car creates wheel hop. This is only the case on some solid axle cars with link type suspensions. The reason is that it alters the suspension geometry, effecting the vehicles anti-squat capabilities. Thankfully, this does not happen with an IRS car...
Good info! I was surprised how hard my car squats... but did not think about the negative camber... makes sense... I'm just still in the live axle mindset! LOL!

Lowering springs are going in Tuesday....
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Old 04-11-2010, 10:53 AM   #24
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I have real bad wheel hop, i need some help big time! my car is ls3 stock everything. I lost time at the track because of the hop. 13.8 was the best time i got any mods that can help eliminate the problem.
Hi Caliman9323,

You should take a look at our Pfadt Rear Trailing Arm Kit and our Rear Subframe Mount Kit! We have had a TON of success with customers dialing out their wheel hop with these products. It is common for people to see wheel hop elimination with just the trailing arms as well. Please do not hesitate to contact me with any questions. I have posted a short video below showing both the mounts, and the arms. Thank you!

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Old 04-11-2010, 12:03 PM   #25
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I have real bad wheel hop, i need some help big time! my car is ls3 stock everything. I lost time at the track because of the hop. 13.8 was the best time i got any mods that can help eliminate the problem.
Hi Caliman , when your dealing with bad wheel hop , 1st- factory rubber bushings could be changed ,2nd- possibly control arm changes, 3rd-overlooked alot of times , a good set of coilover shocks with the correct spring rate. These are a few things to take a look at.
If I can help you out with any of this ,give me a call. Also we will be introducing alot more of our products at Camaro5 fest.

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Old 04-14-2010, 10:08 PM   #26
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Having drop coils will add higher coil rates, they have to, which is a benefit to reduced squating. So for this they have a benefit. But they also have a down side, Lowering the rear, will also create a lot more negative camber, thus reducing the amount of equal tire contact. The challenge is hindered by the amount of insufficient throw of the rear camber bolts. After doing a lot of Camaro drops and alignments, OE eccentric will get you the most positive camber of around -1.0 to -1.3 range. Pedders, has recognized this concern since day one.We have a rear alignment kit that will give you more throw on the eccentric, thus giving you the ability to reduce the effects of higher negative cambers. With a 1.6 inch rear drop, you will be able to get the rear cambers to the -.5 degree range.



We also have a special rear coil for those that do not want much of a big drop but a nice spring rate increase. The 220035 rear coils is ideal for drag racing, and Camaros that are challenged in the rear due to oversized wheels and tires that may not fit well.


You can greatly enhance your handling and ETs by tightening up on a bunch of bushings in the back end that will suck up hp.

Pedders has dedicated drag systems, including the Justice Drag Pack that will allow you to adjust the front dampers to a 70/30 and the rear at a 30/70. The a couple of clicks, and you are back to normal

Here is a link to the Camaro Drag kits



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CAMARO WITH DRAG PACKAGE INSTALLED

Camaro Set up with Drag Package

I had the pleasure today certifying yet another California dealer, an new Chevrolet dealer! John L Sullivan, in Roseville, Ca. is now officially Pedders Camaro Certified. They have our Camaro coil overs and our Camaro drop coils in stock! Bill is service advisor I dealt with, a great guy and very customer oriented. The tech is awesome. His name is Mike and is the only tech that will do Pedders.

The kit we put in is our Pedders Drag Xa Kit, a very serious kit. Here it is:

Item Code Description Qty
160086.......................Camaro Ext Xa Adjust Coilover 1
EP1167HD.................. Zeta HD Differential Mounts 1
EP1201HD..................Camaro HD Rear Sub Frame Repl 1
EP2112 ......................Zeta Steering Rack/Pinion Mnt 1
EP6577.......................Camaro Front Radius Rod Bush 1
EP7264.......................Zeta Rear Lower Control Arm In 1
EP7322 ......................Camaro Rear Upper Control Arm 1
EP7323 ......................Zeta Rear Trailing ArmToe Link 4
PDUSACAMFULL ..........Camaro Full Alignment Kit 1




Here are some pictures:

BEFORE INSTALL. THIS CAMARO WAS EXCEPTIONALLY HIGHER THAN THE NORMAL SSII


AFTER PICTURES SET UP FOR 75% AGGRESSIVE STREET, AND 25% AGGRESSIVE DRAG


AFTER PICTURES SET UP FOR 75% AGGRESSIVE STREET, AND 25% AGGRESSIVE DRAG


HERE ARE THE PICTURES OF THE MAJOR COMPONENTS FOR THE DRAG XA

FRONT RADIUS ROD HD BUSHINGS THE OEs ARE FLUID FILLED AND OFFER SOME CONCERNS FOR MAXIMUM PERFORMANCE


FRONT RADIUS ROD INSTALLED


FRONT CASTER ECCENTRIC INSTALLED. INCREASED OE CASTER BY 2.35 DEGREES


POWER STEERING RACK POLY BUSHING INSTALLED



PEDDERS EP1167HD REAR DIFF VERY HEAVY DUTY BUSHINGS INSTALLED IN THE CAR WITHOUT REMOVING THE DIFFERENTIAL


REAR UPPER CONTROL ARM BUSHING. CRITICAL FOR WHEEL HOP REDUCTION


THE REAR PEDDERS EP1201HD SERIOUSLY HD SUBFRAME BUSHING


FRONT PEDDERS EP1201HD SERIOUSLY HD SUBFRAME BUSHING


TRAILING ARM PEDDERS BUSHING IN KNUCKLE ASSEMBLY


TRAILING ARM LINK AND TOE LINK PEDDERS BUSHINGS INSTALLED


PEDDERS REAR LOWER CONTROL ARM BUSHING INSTALLED


REAR XA COIL OVERS AND REAR CAMBER ECCENTRICS INSTALLED. WE WERE ABLE TOT GET TO POSITIVE CAMBER WITH THIS CAMARO WITH A 1.5 INCH DROP!


FRONT XA COIL OVERS INSTALLED


The alignment was modified to assist the aggressive drag request. Vehicles was lowered front and rear but at strategic level.

Hope you enjoy it.!

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