Camaro 1LE results from 2016 Car and Driver Lightning Lap Test at VIR - Page 8

Mustang Fanboy · 09-09-2016, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

Given that this comparison was done 2 years apart, with different drivers in different weather conditions...I'd say it's irrelevant.

When compared on the same day, same track, same driver, the GT350R was faster.

So, no...no egg on anyones face.

This really goes for all of the testing. It's cool to look at, but useless to make a determination. Some of these times could be seconds off of others.

I would love a back to back testing with the same tires on the same day. Anyone looking to track their vehicle is going to put on the best tire allowed by class. Tires my an enormous difference. I don't care about bragging rights, I would just like some data that actually tells me something.

13vertss · 09-09-2016, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

This really goes for all of the testing. It's cool to look at, but useless to make a determination. Some of these times could be seconds off of others.

I would love a back to back testing with the same tires on the same day. Anyone looking to track their vehicle is going to put on the best tire allowed by class. Tires my an enormous difference. I don't care about bragging rights, I would just like some data that actually tells me something.

What really funny about the Fords guys pulling this card, is the gtpp vs 5th gen 1le. The H2H with same driver and day beat it by 1.5 sec. Yet on another track the GT beats the 1le by .02 sec on different day and driver, yet they kept gloating it beat it. Oh how things change.

PYROLYSIS · 09-09-2016, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by shaffe

I don't understand why people keep bringing up the ZL1 vs the GT350R. The ZL1 better smoke it and I don't see why its such an accomplishment if it does

It has 120+ more HP, plus all the go fast goodies the 1LE has. I think or at least in my mind once they said it was gonna have the LT4, that it was going to be faster than the 350R.

Because they're similar in price and the fastest each company has to offer. Makes sense to me.

Mustang Fanboy · 09-09-2016, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 13vertss/r's

What really funny about the Fords guys pulling this card, is the gtpp vs 5th gen 1le. The H2H with same driver and day beat it by 1.5 sec. Yet on another track the GT beats the 1le by .02 sec on different day and driver, yet they kept gloating it beat it. Oh how things change.

I am not one of those people.

BryceClark89 · 09-09-2016, 04:02 PM

I JUST WANT SAY I WAS RIGHT...V61LE IS QUICKER THAN A 2015 MUSTANG GT HA! SUCK IT FORD

SpeedIsLife · 09-09-2016, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BryceClark89

I JUST WANT SAY I WAS RIGHT...V61LE IS QUICKER THAN A 2015 MUSTANG GT HA! SUCK IT FORD

On a different day, different year, different weather.

If Ford folks can't fairly compare the run where the GTPP was .10 faster than the 1LE, then Chevy folks can't compare a V6 1LE to a GTPP.

Mustang Fanboy · 09-09-2016, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

On a different day, different year, different weather.

If Ford folks can't fairly compare the run where the GTPP was .10 faster than the 1LE, then Chevy folks can't compare a V6 1LE to a GTPP.

This is totally agreeable.

KMK454 · 09-09-2016, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

On a different day, different year, different weather.

If Ford folks can't fairly compare the run where the GTPP was .10 faster than the 1LE, then Chevy folks can't compare a V6 1LE to a GTPP.

It really doesn't matter, though - the fact that a V6 Camaro is now legitimately within the performance window of the Mustang V8 GTPP is a loss for Ford, even if the Mustang comes out on top during a same day comparison.

SpeedIsLife · 09-09-2016, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by KMK454

It really doesn't matter, though - the fact that a V6 Camaro is now legitimately within the performance window of the Mustang V8 GTPP is a loss for Ford, even if the Mustang comes out on top during a same day comparison.

This really isn't the first time though..

The 2010 V6 was "within the performance window" of the 2010 Mustang GT with the old 4.6 3V..in the real world, with average drivers, it wasn't that close.

I'm not knocking the V6 1LE, it's a great bargain and really sets the bar for non-V6 performance packages. However, that being said, I also can see where someone will get a V6 1LE, get cleaned up by a GTPP, and then be completely confused because "the LL said the LT 1LE was faster!?"

Mustang Fanboy · 09-09-2016, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

This really isn't the first time though..

The 2010 V6 was "within the performance window" of the 2010 Mustang GT with the old 4.6 3V..in the real world, with average drivers, it wasn't that close.

I'm not knocking the V6 1LE, it's a great bargain and really sets the bar for non-V6 performance packages. However, that being said, I also can see where someone will get a V6 1LE, get cleaned up by a GTPP, and then be completely confused because "the LL said the LT 1LE was faster!?"

Exactly. A 100hp deficit is difficult to overcome. The V6 sounds like it will do a pretty good job, but it can only get it so far.

I think people are underestimating what a good set of tires really does for a vehicle.

BradfordCamaro · 09-09-2016, 05:37 PM

One of the incredible things is that the 1LE is so Feared and Iconic that it is considered it's own model. And it is just a suspension option code.
1LE drives Ford guys bonkers, they have nothing like it. Their base V8 gets smoked by a Camaro base V8 ....and with a suspension package it embarrasses Ford and their Up Class GT350.
1LE, can't beat it for performance or price.

SpeedIsLife · 09-09-2016, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BradfordCamaro

One of the incredible things is that the 1LE is so Feared and Iconic that it is considered it's own model. And it is just a suspension option code.
1LE drives Ford guys bonkers, they have nothing like it. Their base V8 gets smoked by a Camaro base V8 ....and with a suspension package it embarrasses Ford and their Up Class GT350.
1LE, can't beat it for performance or price.

It needs to be it's own trim now, because it goes totally beyond just a suspension option. It's now a total performance package (brakes, wheels, rubber, suspension, seats, differential) etc...

Given the changes to the interior it brings with it..it should be it's own trim level.

BryceClark89 · 09-09-2016, 05:46 PM

Regardless of the year difference and driver. A GTPP is posted a lap 1.2 seconds slower than V61LE camaro the end. Proof enough to me that if it can do it once it can do it again. That being said strait line performance is a totally different story of course. Interesting that the GT350R was 3.0 seconds quicker than the V81LE at VIR but around 1.4seconds est quicker at Laguna Seca. also note that the GT350R & V81LE are quicker than last gen Z/28 at Laguna seca....all the while neither the GT350R nor V81LE beat the Z/28s VIR LAP

SpeedIsLife · 09-09-2016, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BryceClark89

Regardless of the year difference and driver. A GTPP is posted a lap 1.2 seconds slower than V61LE camaro the end. Proof enough to me that if it can do it once it can do it again. That being said strait line performance is a totally different story of course. Interesting that the GT350R was 3.0 seconds quicker than the V81LE at VIR but around 1.4seconds est quicker at Laguna Seca. also note that the GT350R & V81LE are quicker than last gen Z/28 but in contrast both slower in this years test than last years Z/28 at VIR

VIR is a longer track with more long straights, MRLS is a fairly tight track with only 2 real straights, and even then the big one is uphill with a bend in the middle.

09-09-2016, 04:02 PM	#103
BryceClark89 Drives: 01 Alero GLSV6/ 07 ZX-14/ 06GTO Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: VA Posts: 86	I JUST WANT SAY I WAS RIGHT...V61LE IS QUICKER THAN A 2015 MUSTANG GT HA! SUCK IT FORD __________________ Owned lifted 88 dakota two door short bed V6 4x4, Yellow/black LB9 powered 85 IrocZ28 MODS Edlebrock intake, throttle body spacers and mass air flow sensor, Edlebrock full exhaust, K&N drop in's, B&M 700r4 shift kit. 2001.olds alero GLSV6, BIKE~ 2007 Lazer Metallic Blue ZX-14

09-09-2016, 05:37 PM	#109
BradfordCamaro SABIO Drives: 2016 CAMARO 1SS Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Bradford, ON Posts: 5,012	One of the incredible things is that the 1LE is so Feared and Iconic that it is considered it's own model. And it is just a suspension option code. 1LE drives Ford guys bonkers, they have nothing like it. Their base V8 gets smoked by a Camaro base V8 ....and with a suspension package it embarrasses Ford and their Up Class GT350. 1LE, can't beat it for performance or price. __________________

09-09-2016, 05:46 PM	#111
BryceClark89 Drives: 01 Alero GLSV6/ 07 ZX-14/ 06GTO Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: VA Posts: 86	Regardless of the year difference and driver. A GTPP is posted a lap 1.2 seconds slower than V61LE camaro the end. Proof enough to me that if it can do it once it can do it again. That being said strait line performance is a totally different story of course. Interesting that the GT350R was 3.0 seconds quicker than the V81LE at VIR but around 1.4seconds est quicker at Laguna Seca. also note that the GT350R & V81LE are quicker than last gen Z/28 at Laguna seca....all the while neither the GT350R nor V81LE beat the Z/28s VIR LAP __________________ Owned lifted 88 dakota two door short bed V6 4x4, Yellow/black LB9 powered 85 IrocZ28 MODS Edlebrock intake, throttle body spacers and mass air flow sensor, Edlebrock full exhaust, K&N drop in's, B&M 700r4 shift kit. 2001.olds alero GLSV6, BIKE~ 2007 Lazer Metallic Blue ZX-14 Last edited by BryceClark89; 09-09-2016 at 05:56 PM.

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