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Old 05-11-2016, 05:34 PM   #15
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Or you can just go read the other thread us four been bickering on all day. Lol.
Will do. Only hoped this would be different because of the mods listed
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Old 05-11-2016, 05:39 PM   #16
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Will do. Only hoped this would be different because of the mods listed


Lol personally im going to tell you PD. Just no beating that sound to me personally. My preference is not for my car to sound like a pneumatic drill. So I don't care for turbo.

TVS systems all based off of eaton are GREAT for
immediate Tq. Which is a plus and downfall of the TVS. It creates the most immediate tq. Which can make
Launching tricky. And your setup is already ready for it. That being said, ECS would work great as well. And are a little
More efficient/budget friendly.

And partially aesthetic reasons.

I will let these gents explain the turbo side.
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Lol personally im going to tell you PD. Just no beating that sound to me personally. My preference is not for my car to sound like a pneumatic drill. So I don't care for turbo.


I will let these gents explain the turbo side.
Bro, I seriously lol'd at the bold part up there... no seriously... I laughed in a good way... it was funny...


but I'll take my pneumatic drill sound, though most cars won't hear it due to being so far behind....

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Bro, I seriously lol'd at the bold part up there... no seriously... I laughed in a good way... it was funny...





but I'll take my pneumatic drill sound, though most cars won't hear it due to being so far behind....





I mean they sound mean. Just not my taste.
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Old 05-11-2016, 06:07 PM   #21
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Old 05-11-2016, 09:24 PM   #22
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Parts that I assume will factor into the decision:
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GPI modified LS3 intake manifold,
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TSP VVT3 cam and ported heads,
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ZL1 3.73 differential,
DSS 1-piece aluminum drive shaft,
and 1400HP rated DSS axles.

A complete list (these plus suspension) of mods can be found in my garage.
If those are your current mods, then personally, I would recommend the ECS kit. Hard to beat for the price and power potential.

Just before I went TT, I had invested in boltons that were catered to SC cars, I was dead set on supercharging, so CAI Headers and a few others. When I made my choice, based on my budget and goals, I decided to go the twin turbo option. So I sold all my SC specific parts here on C5. Didn't get all my money back, but I didn't take a beating either. I took the money I got from my parts and used it for my TT stuff.

Whats your budget, and power goals?
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Old 05-12-2016, 01:58 AM   #23
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If those are your current mods, then personally, I would recommend the ECS kit. Hard to beat for the price and power potential.

Just before I went TT, I had invested in boltons that were catered to SC cars, I was dead set on supercharging, so CAI Headers and a few others. When I made my choice, based on my budget and goals, I decided to go the twin turbo option. So I sold all my SC specific parts here on C5. Didn't get all my money back, but I didn't take a beating either. I took the money I got from my parts and used it for my TT stuff.

Whats your budget, and power goals?
So far I'm going the ECS route, already talking to them about a kit and their recommendations and it turns out the first shop that worked on my car and did the tune is also one of their dealers so I know it'll be in good hands. I'm unsure of power goals at the moment as everytime I think I'm done I keep adding more and more to the list of parts, so I guess the answer is yes. As far as budget, I'm not trying to spend all of my money on my car, but I'm a single guy working overseas paying off bills/saving/spending on car. The ECS is in my price range and will upgrade fuel pump and injectors as well. Some of the stuff they have listed in their kit I already have
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So far I'm going the ECS route, already talking to them about a kit and their recommendations and it turns out the first shop that worked on my car and did the tune is also one of their dealers so I know it'll be in good hands. I'm unsure of power goals at the moment as everytime I think I'm done I keep adding more and more to the list of parts, so I guess the answer is yes. As far as budget, I'm not trying to spend all of my money on my car, but I'm a single guy working overseas paying off bills/saving/spending on car. The ECS is in my price range and will upgrade fuel pump and injectors as well. Some of the stuff they have listed in their kit I already have
ECS is a great option. For me, it was between AGP and ECS. Like I said, one fit my goals better than the other. Just wanted to let you know that even though you have a bunch of parts that will work great with the ECS kit, you can salvage some of the effort, and put it towards the turbo option.

Both have their merits. Without knowing what you want to spend, and how much power your going to end up wanting, I really can't say what my true "opinion" is for you. Sounds like you have it figured out though, enjoy!
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All three are good options and you will be happy with any you pick. Pick your poison and have fun.
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I'm at the point where I think I want to go forced induction, but not sure which route to go. I've read some articles where long tube headers get along with superchargers and think that's the route I want to go but then I see a video of a twin turbo Camaro and think that's the route to go. So what's easier or what do you recommend to do with my setup?

Parts that I assume will factor into the decision:
Circle D 3200 stall Torque Converter,
ADM transmission cooler,
Vararam tune intake,
GPI modified LS3 intake manifold,
BoWhite PTB,
ARH long tube headers 3" x 1-7/8" catless with xpipe,
TSP VVT3 cam and ported heads,
SLP 160 Tstat,
NGK TR55 plugs,
ZL1 3.73 differential,
DSS 1-piece aluminum drive shaft,
and 1400HP rated DSS axles.

A complete list (these plus suspension) of mods can be found in my garage.
The answer to this depends on your goals and budget. Most of the kits made for the Camaro are really great. My initial advice to everyone is to talk to your tuner and get his opinion on whats best for your goals... they'll give you a much more objective answer that people on the forum (who will 9/10 times recommend whatever they bought).

That said, I know it's fun to have the conversations anyway so here's my take:

The AGP TT kit is the most impressive thing I've see for overall potential, and they have good parts with lots of options out the gate.

If you're on a budget, the SLP TVS2300 seems to be the best bang for the buck IMO. It's also pretty straight forward to in stall, making it a good DIY for a novice.

If you want the best potential for a roots-style SC, I'd recommend the Whipple.. that's my tuner's blower of choice for the Camaro. If you have the 2014 or 2015 with the hood vent, it won't fit without a hood insert change though.. so that's something to keep in mind if you have a newer model.

I don't own one, but it seems to me that the best TVS2300 if you have money to burn is the Magnuson Heartbeat. They have the lowest IAT's I have seen reported for a root's-style SC, and fit under the stock 2014-15 hood and even the 1LE stability bar.

The ECS kit is the lowest cost option and it has some upsides, but IMO the fact that the Camaro is so heavy takes away from it's ability to be as impressive to drive as the root-style SC's. If you're looking for large power in the upper part of the band, they're defiantly going to give you that, though... so again it's all about what you really want out of it.
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I'm at the point where I think I want to go forced induction, but not sure which route to go. I've read some articles where long tube headers get along with superchargers and think that's the route I want to go but then I see a video of a twin turbo Camaro and think that's the route to go. So what's easier or what do you recommend to do with my setup?

Parts that I assume will factor into the decision:
Circle D 3200 stall Torque Converter,
ADM transmission cooler,
Vararam tune intake,
GPI modified LS3 intake manifold,
BoWhite PTB,
ARH long tube headers 3" x 1-7/8" catless with xpipe,
TSP VVT3 cam and ported heads,
SLP 160 Tstat,
NGK TR55 plugs,
ZL1 3.73 differential,
DSS 1-piece aluminum drive shaft,
and 1400HP rated DSS axles.

A complete list (these plus suspension) of mods can be found in my garage.
Think I would look strongly at the twin turbo kit if I did again.
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I'm at the point where I think I want to go forced induction, but not sure which route to go. I've read some articles where long tube headers get along with superchargers and think that's the route I want to go but then I see a video of a twin turbo Camaro and think that's the route to go. So what's easier or what do you recommend to do with my setup?

Parts that I assume will factor into the decision:
Circle D 3200 stall Torque Converter,
ADM transmission cooler,
Vararam tune intake,
GPI modified LS3 intake manifold,
BoWhite PTB,
ARH long tube headers 3" x 1-7/8" catless with xpipe,
TSP VVT3 cam and ported heads,
SLP 160 Tstat,
NGK TR55 plugs,
ZL1 3.73 differential,
DSS 1-piece aluminum drive shaft,
and 1400HP rated DSS axles.

A complete list (these plus suspension) of mods can be found in my garage.
I will just throw this out here.
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