How much is the STS single turbo?

[sparaz]

Superchargers suck power all the time with the extra pulley system and they cost a lot of MPG on all driving period. Turbos on the other hand add power to the vehicle without dragging a ton more energy for ops. the turbo boost can be tuned up or down on the fly and you're easily capable of staying at the exact MPG for daily driving if you want it so.

For a lot of us we just like to see how powerful we can get the V6 and have fun with it, versus just buying a standard v8. Plus itd be nice to laugh at people even more when they say "Oh, only a v6?" But that's really a non-issue as well.

[scrming]

Originally Posted by sparaz

Superchargers suck power all the time with the extra pulley system and they cost a lot of MPG on all driving period. Turbos on the other hand add power to the vehicle without dragging a ton more energy for ops. the turbo boost can be tuned up or down on the fly and you're easily capable of staying at the exact MPG for daily driving if you want it so.

For a lot of us we just like to see how powerful we can get the V6 and have fun with it, versus just buying a standard v8. Plus itd be nice to laugh at people even more when they say "Oh, only a v6?" But that's really a non-issue as well.

Not quite true... had a Vortech centri on my last car... when it wasn't under boost very little parasitic drag and just cruising did not effect my MPG... But yes, under boost an SC is going to have more drag...

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

Just wondering and not trying to flame.. but if U are gonna spend $8400 on the turbo... wouldn't have been better to just trade your V6 in on a used Certified V8?

Seems like U would have similar HP, still have a warranty up to 100K.. and an easier car to MOD.. cheaper too. Hell.. even if U wanted to go Forced Induction U could get a Supercharger for almost $2K less than the STS Turbo.. and truly blow it away.

Here's my prospective. SC on V8 for $2K less than STS on V6 doesn't account for the difference in price between the two base cars. Even if he got the V8 used, it will still eat up those savings, right? Once it all gets tuned right, he will be putting out more RWHP than a SS, even one with bolt-ons and a tune. If he went SC on the V8 then he gets more power, but he is now forking out more dollars than he has on the V6. If he's happy with ~420 RWHP then it seems to me he made a pretty good decision on how to spend his money.

The second point is the technology in the LLT is probably what GM/Ford/Chrysler are going to be using in the future. He's learning how to mod this technology, so he'll be a step a head of us when a V8 version comes out, won't he?

Just my thoughts.

[GretchenGotGrowl]

I also forgot to point out the turbo v6 will probably have quite a bit more power than a v8 with bolt ons and a tune at lower RPMs. That should equate to better 1/4 times. Secondly, he doesn't have to stop at 6 psi. He can add more and it won't cost alot unless he wants to be careful to not blow the engine or destroy the tranny. It is his car and his choice, but he COULD get a lot more power than the V8 with bolt ons and a tune if he really wanted to.

Jim -- keep us informed on MTI fest!

[CamaroDreams07]

Originally Posted by Cmicasa the Great XvX

Just wondering and not trying to flame.. but if U are gonna spend $8400 on the turbo... wouldn't have been better to just trade your V6 in on a used Certified V8?

Seems like U would have similar HP, still have a warranty up to 100K.. and an easier car to MOD.. cheaper too. Hell.. even if U wanted to go Forced Induction U could get a Supercharger for almost $2K less than the STS Turbo.. and truly blow it away.

You're also going to have to eat a considerable loss on the trade of the V6. Plus a lot of us have other mods on our cars that we would have to replicate on the new V8, adding even more to the cost. I don't think you would save any money on going to a V8 vs turboing the V6. And the turboed six should beat the stock V8. The V6 also performs better on road courses as we saw at C5Fest. Now, of course if you go FI on the V8, it's going to blow it away, but that's obvious.

THANK YOU for adding your opinion in such a way that did not flame the V6. This is how V8 and V6 owners can get along, too bad some don't get it.

[sparaz]

Anyone know if there are any drivetrain concerns with the added power from the STS? I would imagine its dependent on the degree of exertion, but any info from those whom have first hand experience?

[PT145SS]

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

I also forgot to point out the turbo v6 will probably have quite a bit more power than a v8 with bolt ons and a tune at lower RPMs. That should equate to better 1/4 times. Secondly, he doesn't have to stop at 6 psi. He can add more and it won't cost alot unless he wants to be careful to not blow the engine or destroy the tranny. It is his car and his choice, but he COULD get a lot more power than the V8 with bolt ons and a tune if he really wanted to.

Jim -- keep us informed on MTI fest!

Ok...so maybe I am a little too analytical. The whole thing about V8 over V6...now my quick analysis does not take into account cost of owner ship e.g. insurance, MPG, maintenance, and etc....Also my number are just guesses as well but here it goes. For this analysis it all boils down to cost/horse power.

Stock 2LT RS: Cost $31,000, Horsepower = 312, (31,000/312) = $99.35897/HP
Stock 2SS: Cost $41,000, Horsepower=426, (41,000/426) = $93.89671/HP

In terms of horsepower (stock vs stock) it is cheaper to buy a V8 (assuming similar amenities) but not by much.

Adding forced induction (and this is where I'm really guessing at some of the values...maybe someone can do this same calc with better/more accurate numbers)
2LT RS: Cost $8,000, horsepower=450, ((31,000 + 8000)/450) = $86.66667/HP
2SS: Cost $6,000, horsepower=600, ((40,000 + 6000)/600) =$76.66667/HP

In terms of horsepower it is way cheaper to add forced induction.

All that being said, I am fortunate that my wife and I both make a good living and we are able to afford the 2SS (and much more) had we wanted to. However, the right choice for many reasons was the 2LT and I do not regret it. I am modifying the 2LT...not because I want to try a keep up with the big dogs...I and doing because I enjoy it and because I want my V6 at optimal performance.

[radarwz]

Not bad calculations except the $8k quoted for the STS includes install if I read it right.
Costs for FI for v6 or v8 installed will be pretty much the same. But v8's have a lot more choices.

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by PT145SS

Ok...so maybe I am a little too analytical. The whole thing about V8 over V6...now my quick analysis does not take into account cost of owner ship e.g. insurance, MPG, maintenance, and etc....Also my number are just guesses as well but here it goes. For this analysis it all boils down to cost/horse power.

Stock 2LT RS: Cost $31,000, Horsepower = 312, (31,000/312) = $99.35897/HP
Stock 2SS: Cost $41,000, Horsepower=426, (41,000/426) = $93.89671/HP

In terms of horsepower (stock vs stock) it is cheaper to buy a V8 (assuming similar amenities) but not by much.

Adding forced induction (and this is where I'm really guessing at some of the values...maybe someone can do this same calc with better/more accurate numbers)
2LT RS: Cost $8,000, horsepower=450, ((31,000 + 8000)/450) = $86.66667/HP
2SS: Cost $6,000, horsepower=600, ((40,000 + 6000)/600) =$76.66667/HP

In terms of horsepower it is way cheaper to add forced induction.

All that being said, I am fortunate that my wife and I both make a good living and we are able to afford the 2SS (and much more) had we wanted to. However, the right choice for many reasons was the 2LT and I do not regret it. I am modifying the 2LT...not because I want to try a keep up with the big dogs...I and doing because I enjoy it and because I want my V6 at optimal performance.

You lost me on the second part. First, the price of the SC doesn't include installation (I think it is $6500 for the kit). Second the prices of the SS went down a $1000. Finally, the HP for the LT after STS looks more like what you expect at wheels, while the numbers for SC on the SS look more like crank. By my calculations, you get $79/HP ($39,500/500) for V6 and $81/HP for V8 ($49,000/600).

However, all that is beside the point. He can get more horsepower in his V6 (not sure if Jim has an LS/1LT/2LT) than an STOCK SS for less money. Using your original numbers

V6 - $31,000 + $8,500 / 500 = $79/HP
V8 - $41,000 / 426 = $96/HP

That alone sounds like a good deal. Factor in the fun he had doing it and it is priceless

[PT145SS]

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

You lost me on the second part. First, the price of the SC doesn't include installation (I think it is $6500 for the kit). Second the prices of the SS went down a $1000. Finally, the HP for the LT after STS looks more like what you expect at wheels, while the numbers for SC on the SS look more like crank. By my calculations, you get $79/HP ($39,500/500) for V6 and $81/HP for V8 ($49,000/600).

However, all that is beside the point. He can get more horsepower in his V6 (not sure if Jim has an LS/1LT/2LT) than an STOCK SS for less money. Using your original numbers

V6 - $31,000 + $8,500 / 500 = $79/HP
V8 - $41,000 / 426 = $96/HP

That alone sounds like a good deal. Factor in the fun he had doing it and it is priceless

Comparing V6 w/ FI to V8 stock, then it cost less per horsepower for the V6. However, when you compare V6 w/ FI and V8 w/ FI the V8 has the lower cost per horsepower. Also, when you compare stock V6 against stock V8 the V8 cost less per horsepower.

[PoorMansCamaro]

i don't understand all the cost per hp debate. You are still paying more for a boosted v8 overall. Granted you are making more hp, but most people don't really know what to do with that kind of power.

And after reading posts from the v6 guys that do want boost, a lot of them sound like they are new to the whole thing. So starting off with a v6 is not too shabby.

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by PT145SS

Comparing V6 w/ FI to V8 stock, then it cost less per horsepower for the V6. However, when you compare V6 w/ FI and V8 w/ FI the V8 has the lower cost per horsepower. Also, when you compare stock V6 against stock V8 the V8 cost less per horsepower.

The original question was why not just by the V8 because it would be cheaper than spending $8500 more to turbo the V6. So comparing the a SC V8 and a Turbo V6 ignores price. He got a car with more HP for less money this way. Even if you try to change it to $/HP, once you fix your numbers the V8 is still more expensive ($81/HP > $79/HP).

[PT145SS]

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

The original question was why not just by the V8 because it would be cheaper than spending $8500 more to turbo the V6. So comparing the a SC V8 and a Turbo V6 ignores price. He got a car with more HP for less money this way. Even if you try to change it to $/HP, once you fix your numbers the V8 is still more expensive ($81/HP > $79/HP).

i think there may be a misunderstanding. All I'm saying is that in the long run, it is cheaper cost/horsepower to build out horsepower on a V8 than it is to build out horsepower on a V6. I agree 100% that one can build out a v6 to have about the same if not slightly more HP as a stock SS for less money than an SS cost.

[sparaz]

anyone can buy a stock v8 and have decent horsepower, but only the truly unique will soup up their v6's