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sed34 · 11-10-2011, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by CC Performance

Not sure what your money example here is ?
20k more than what? 70K for what? I'm cornfused

some of the consensus here is that the zl1 will be 50-55k in price. what I was adding together was the price of the ss fully loaded which will be around 40k+ taxes and your package which is 29.5k. so the 70k is the total price when it is all included, compared to 55k for the zl1

*DGthe3* · 11-10-2011, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by sed34

some of the consensus here is that the zl1 will be 50-55k in price. what I was adding together was the price of the ss fully loaded which will be around 40k+ taxes and your package which is 29.5k. so the 70k is the total price when it is all included, compared to 55k for the zl1

Thats for the 700+ hp engine package. The other one starts at 22.5k. Content wise, I'd say a ZL1 will probably be equal to a 2SS/RS at around $37.5k, give or take.

So in my books, his ZL1 equivalent would come in at about 60 grand, not 70 like what you say (but not 50 either, which is were we expect the ZL1 to be)

The Stig · 11-10-2011, 12:59 PM

I know I'm coming into this thread a little late, but I know how to compare a SS to a ZL1. The Nurburgring, what do you have to do to an SS to get a Nurburging time of 7:41.

GoldenBear · 11-10-2011, 01:07 PM

Yes, one can build a 2010 2SS to match the performance of a ZL1 given enough time and money. However, it will be difficult to build a 2010 2SS that can achieve the same all around performance and driveability as a ZL1 for a cost that is less than or equal to the cost of a ZL1, and then there's the issue of the factory warranty.

aet08 · 11-10-2011, 01:14 PM

ZL1's got nothing on me :p

*GTAHVIT* · 11-10-2011, 01:32 PM

My thoughts..

My Camaro has a little less than 50K invested in it, in both power and suspension and cosmetics.

And I'd be willing to bet that my ride quality is as good, and the performance is better than a ZL1.

Now lets guess a ZL1 can be had for less than 60K

with that in mind. what I'm giving up for that 10K difference in price is a warranty and the cool little components that make it a ZL1.. Even though I think having a numbered Tom Henry car is cool... It's probably not going to be as widely accepted as a factory built ZL1

So I may have a better performing car for less money.. I still am giving up some big things as part of that lower price.

would I trade my THR22 for a ZL1? no way... if I had both cars sitting in front of me and i had to pick one... that's a little tougher to decide...

anyway, the answer is yes, you can build a significantly better performing SS for less money than you will spend on a stock Zl1

Apex Motorsports · 11-10-2011, 01:58 PM

With the anticipated $20,000 in price difference you can easily build a Camaro SS that will best the ZL1.

GoldenBear · 11-10-2011, 02:05 PM

It will be interesting to see after the ZL1 is released if the car magazines will compare track, strip, and street, and overall performance and driveability results of a ZL1 with the results of a modified 2SS that costs less than or equal to the cost of the ZL1. They'll certainly compare the ZL1 to the GT500.

Scarrzz · 11-10-2011, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenBear

They'll certainly compare the ZL1 to the GT500.

I'm looking forward to those comparisons like a hungry panther about to pounce on a piglet.

Synner · 11-10-2011, 03:11 PM

I think an SS can be upgraded to outperform the ZL1 easily if not cheaply. It may not be cost effective but you can recoup costs if you sell your stock short block and rear diff if you're going all out.

Plus, at least for me, its no fun buying something already done. I'd rather enjoy the build process even if it costs a bit more. I can say I built it, others can say they bought it.

Speed 1 · 11-10-2011, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Synner

I think an SS can be upgraded to outperform the ZL1 easily if not cheaply. It may not be cost effective but you can recoup costs if you sell your stock short block and rear diff if you're going all out.

Plus, at least for me, its no fun buying something already done. I'd rather enjoy the build process even if it costs a bit more. I can say I built it, others can say they bought it.

GoldenBear · 11-10-2011, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Synner

Plus, at least for me, its no fun buying something already done. I'd rather enjoy the build process even if it costs a bit more. I can say I built it, others can say they bought it.

At this point in my life I'm more interested in spending time driving rather than turning wrenches. Therefore, I'll purchase the finished product.

its a syn · 11-10-2011, 03:32 PM

and the my SS is better than your ZL1 posts are beginning! j/k but you know they are coming.

Synner · 11-10-2011, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenBear

At this point in my life I'm more interested in spending time driving rather than turning wrenches. Therefore, I'll purchase the finished product.

For me its therapeutic and gets me alone time in the garage when I need it. Luckily I'm moving some place warmer next year so I won't freeze to death working on it 4 months out of the year.

11-10-2011, 12:59 PM	#17
The Stig knows 2 facts about ducks Drives: ...and they're both wrong Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The HMS Invincible Posts: 25,072 View My Garage	I know I'm coming into this thread a little late, but I know how to compare a SS to a ZL1. The Nurburgring, what do you have to do to an SS to get a Nurburging time of 7:41. __________________

11-10-2011, 01:07 PM	#18
GoldenBear Bear Backer Drives: 69 Camaro Z/28, 69 Corvette Conv Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 1,490	Yes, one can build a 2010 2SS to match the performance of a ZL1 given enough time and money. However, it will be difficult to build a 2010 2SS that can achieve the same all around performance and driveability as a ZL1 for a cost that is less than or equal to the cost of a ZL1, and then there's the issue of the factory warranty. __________________ Current Chevrolets: 1969 Camaro Z/28 -- 1969 427/390 Corvette Convertible -- 1970 350/300 Corvette Convertible -- 2013 Camaro ZL1 Convertible -- CRT / Exposed CF Weave Hood Insert / Suede Package / Polished Wheels / MN6

11-10-2011, 01:32 PM	#20
GTAHVIT Blessed Drives: 2013 Sonic RS MT Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Saint Augustine FL Posts: 28,444 View My Garage	My thoughts.. My Camaro has a little less than 50K invested in it, in both power and suspension and cosmetics. And I'd be willing to bet that my ride quality is as good, and the performance is better than a ZL1. Now lets guess a ZL1 can be had for less than 60K with that in mind. what I'm giving up for that 10K difference in price is a warranty and the cool little components that make it a ZL1.. Even though I think having a numbered Tom Henry car is cool... It's probably not going to be as widely accepted as a factory built ZL1 So I may have a better performing car for less money.. I still am giving up some big things as part of that lower price. would I trade my THR22 for a ZL1? no way... if I had both cars sitting in front of me and i had to pick one... that's a little tougher to decide... anyway, the answer is yes, you can build a significantly better performing SS for less money than you will spend on a stock Zl1 __________________ Click image to see build thread. PQ - "the love of cars. It's a boys first step toward manhood and a mans last hold on boyhood." Fbodfather - "We do not want to use the Z28 moniker on a car that does not deserve this hallowed name." The_Blur - "Let's not confuse competitors with equals."

11-10-2011, 02:05 PM	#22
GoldenBear Bear Backer Drives: 69 Camaro Z/28, 69 Corvette Conv Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 1,490	It will be interesting to see after the ZL1 is released if the car magazines will compare track, strip, and street, and overall performance and driveability results of a ZL1 with the results of a modified 2SS that costs less than or equal to the cost of the ZL1. They'll certainly compare the ZL1 to the GT500. __________________ Current Chevrolets: 1969 Camaro Z/28 -- 1969 427/390 Corvette Convertible -- 1970 350/300 Corvette Convertible -- 2013 Camaro ZL1 Convertible -- CRT / Exposed CF Weave Hood Insert / Suede Package / Polished Wheels / MN6

11-10-2011, 03:32 PM	#27
its a syn B.O.D. 02/16/10 Drives: 2010 SGM Sp. Edition 2017 RS Conver Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Albia,Iowa Posts: 3,959 View My Garage	and the my SS is better than your ZL1 posts are beginning! j/k but you know they are coming. __________________

11-10-2011, 01:14 PM	#19
aet08 Drives: c Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: c Posts: 627	ZL1's got nothing on me :p

11-10-2011, 01:58 PM	#21
Apex Motorsports Drives: 2000 Camaro SS Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Louisville, Ky. Posts: 25,179	With the anticipated $20,000 in price difference you can easily build a Camaro SS that will best the ZL1.

11-10-2011, 03:11 PM	#24
Synner Drives: cars Join Date: May 2011 Location: Oversneeze Posts: 4,545	I think an SS can be upgraded to outperform the ZL1 easily if not cheaply. It may not be cost effective but you can recoup costs if you sell your stock short block and rear diff if you're going all out. Plus, at least for me, its no fun buying something already done. I'd rather enjoy the build process even if it costs a bit more. I can say I built it, others can say they bought it.

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