07-21-2008, 08:55 AM | #57 | |
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Only 6 more hours, now...... And Shank, when I said "not true", I meant in some cars. Automatics are starting to return the same, if not better mpg than a manual counterpart in some vehicles. But there's too many variables (like gearing, and driving-habits) to say for sure if any one approach definitely gives an improvement. And that's new...it used to be the case where the automatic delivered worse mileage; no argument... |
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07-21-2008, 09:10 AM | #58 |
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That is true, in most cases, from the old days when both transmissions were hooked to the same exact engine with the same exact everything.
AFM is not yet developed properly to work well with manual transmissioned cars. GM is going to use AFM as much as they can to increase their CAFE as much as possible. They aren't going to alienate those of us who still want our performance with the manual, but at the same time they are trying as best they can to improve fuel economy wherever possible. It is quite possible due to this anomily that automatics will get better fuel economy than manuals (thus another dagger into the heart of manuals everywhere). |
07-21-2008, 09:17 AM | #59 |
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You know one of the biggest reasons why I don't believe it? If that is true and this isn't a truck engine (better not be), why isn't it an LSx?
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07-21-2008, 09:18 AM | #60 |
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L76 in the G8 sound familiar?
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07-21-2008, 09:23 AM | #61 | |
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The HP difference does not appear to be due to E85, it will get lower mileage due to the energy content per liter, but produce MORE horsepower due to an increase in octane rating. http://www.iowacorn.org/ethanol/ethanol_5a.html What is the range of a flexible fuel ethanol vehicle? Ethanol has less energy content than gasoline. However, E85 also has a much higher octane (ranging from 100 to 105) than gasoline. FFVs are not optimized to E85, so they experience a 5% to 15% drop in fuel economy. This will vary based on temperature and driving conditions. For comparison purposes, aggressive driving habits can result in a 20% loss and low tire pressure can reduce mileage by 6%. Research indicates Ford FFVs experience a 5% horsepower gain on E85. The range of any particular vehicle is dependent on the size of the fuel tank and driving habits. One the articles posted talked about a higher geared rear end in the auto as well, so I suspect that you are right, that the auto will be pointed towards gettting the same or perhaps even better mileage with the auto, especially on the highway I suspect with the AFM.... I would love to have flex fuel on both the LS3 and the auto, its a lot cheaper around me right now and would probably offset the lower mileage right now...That would be quite a statement from GM, our LS3 can run on ethanol and produce more horsepower than on gas... |
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07-21-2008, 09:42 AM | #62 |
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y'all are going to be so surprised this afternoon... some people in this thread have gotten some stuff right... but there's alot of speculation in here that's wrong... talk to me in 7 hours.
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07-21-2008, 09:46 AM | #63 |
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Is the broadcast really gonna go that long?????? It would be cool if it did.....
I gotta go to the store and buy the right cable so I can project the webcast on the big screen when its on... I think you can count on MANY people asking you, it will be fun to look in the rearview mirror and laugh at some of the stuff we dreamed up.... |
07-21-2008, 09:57 AM | #64 |
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I wonder if GM has reached a power threshold for engines with AFM then. I understand the way the lifters work and that jazz, but is it because anymore lift will result in the lift collapsing or pumping because the cam profile would be too aggressive? I wonder if there is a way for GM to integrate some multi-displacement technology with the L92's VVT (or whatever it's called.)
I think pretty much all of GM's current high performance engines (except for the LS9 and LSA) will run on sub-premium fuel, but the PCM will retard timing a lot until it stops detecting detonation. I'd run premium regardless, with a splash of unleaded 100. Gas here in CA sucks donkey b@lls, and the best we get is crappy 91 and unless you find a station with individual fuel nozzles, if the person in front of you just finished pumping 87, and you select 91, you're probably going to get a couple gallons of that 87 until you start actually getting the 91 you selected. Stations with separate nozzles are harder to find around here, so those are the places I frequent when I fill up my Camaro. All this speculation is killing me!!!
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07-21-2008, 10:31 AM | #65 | |
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I really wish Sunoco would make a move into the Texas region... I'd love to be able to pump 94 octane into our high performance V8s and I'd even pump it, on occasion, into our 5.3L Tahoe
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07-21-2008, 10:52 AM | #66 |
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Wait until this afternoon...We'll have facts very soon.
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07-21-2008, 10:55 AM | #67 |
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Thats because the manual has 5 speeds unlike the autos 4 speeds. Now the camaro will have equal 6 speeds on both sides so the auto should get equal, if not better mpg than the manual.
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07-21-2008, 11:41 AM | #68 | |
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I am expecting someone to start offering hot cams rocker packages for these motors soon that would bump the valve lift up to whatever the valve spring and piston clearance allow. I also expect the power to be the same for stick and autos with the next generation of small blocks since they should be designed for AFM. |
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07-21-2008, 11:42 PM | #69 |
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I have to say that I'm rather disappointed with the 6sp auto SS specs. A 400 hp engine sounds great (literally and figuratively), but the nearly 4,000 lb curb weight is pooing on my parade. I'm hopeful that the car is agile for a 4,000 lb fat cat.
I was figuring on an SS that weighed nearer to 3,500 lbs. I better go on a diet so I can recover some of GM's weight overruns! |
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