[FastCarFanBoy]

1st Evan Smith and now Steph93lx ... sooner or later the denial is going to have to stop.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

1st Evan Smith and now Steph93lx ... sooner or later the denial is going to have to stop.

Denial about the Mustang running these amazing tune and tire "only" 10s? Or the denial that despite a refresh and 25 more horsepower the Mustang still isn't as fast as the Camaro?

It seems strange that a car which supposedly can run a 11.9-12.1 completely stock and "feels" so much faster than the SS suddenly loses power and time in the hands of Motor Trend. And Car and Driver. Once the Mustang is placed in a standard test with correction factors and test equipment it magically becomes slower. Explain that to me.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

1st Evan Smith and now Steph93lx ... sooner or later the denial is going to have to stop.

I saw this in Fraxum’s thread and thought it tied into your Evan comment and denial.

Originally Posted by Fraxum

I went to Atco last night....

Finally a break in the weather. It seemed humid and everyone's MPHes were down, but the DA was pretty good at around +300.

... there was a white 2018 base A10 GT with 3.55 gears. He said before he ran he was hoping for an 11.8. But his first run was like a 12.5@115. Welcome to my club. I think the car had only 200 miles on it, another member of the Temp Tag Racing Club! He also said he will be back soon after slapping on a Paxton.

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

It seems strange that a car which supposedly can run a 11.9-12.1 completely stock and "feels" so much faster than the SS suddenly loses power and time in the hands of Motor Trend. And Car and Driver. Once the Mustang is placed in a standard test with correction factors and test equipment it magically becomes slower. Explain that to me.

the same reasons Motor Trend and Car and Driver cant run 11.9-12.1 in a Camaro. Who claimed the Mustang felt faster than the Camaro?

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by hotlap

I saw this in Fraxum’s thread and thought it tied into your Evan comment and denial.

not sure of your point with this? Are you saying that because one driver/car runs X time that no other driver/car can be faster? because every fast list ever created disagrees with you

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

the same reasons Motor Trend and Car and Driver cant run 11.9-12.1 in a Camaro. Who claimed the Mustang felt faster than the Camaro?

Those tests are done using standardized atmospheric conditions. Billly Bob Jim Ray running a 10.9 on a tune and tire only is bullshit. Plenty of your boys over M6G are saying how much faster the Mustang feels and blah blah.

Problem is except for these magic runs the Mustang has not actually performed better than a Camaro at anything. Not one single thing. It's slower everywhere. Has been since Sept 2015. If you want to believe the BS that's your right. Just please stop spouting this shit over and over. It's slower. It's heavier. It's going to get even more expensive with the Tariffs on Chinese transmissions...

If you think those magic track times are believable then step up to the plate and buy one.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

not sure of your point with this? Are you saying that because one driver/car runs X time that no other driver/car can be faster? because every fast list ever created disagrees with you

I found it interesting that the owner of a new GT A10 arrived at Atco and expecting to run the Evan Smith number of 11.8 but left with 12.5.

Recall after Evan’s run the inrush of Mustang fans laying that down as the marker? The GT had only been out 2 weeks so it was just going to keep getting better. Hurt a lot of feelings? After all, the SS peaked at 11.9 after 2 years.

You commented that “sooner or later the denial is going to have to stop” while referencing Evan.

Here, the average SS is 12.0-12.1 without drama. I haven’t seen anything on the Mustang fast list after 5 months. Is it time to admit Ford marketing played you all?

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by hotlap

I found it interesting that the owner of a new GT A10 arrived at Atco and expecting to run the Evan Smith number of 11.8 but left with 12.5.

Recall after Evan’s run the inrush of Mustang fans laying that down as the marker? The GT had only been out 2 weeks so it was just going to keep getting better. Hurt a lot of feelings? After all, the SS peaked at 11.9 after 2 years.

You commented that “sooner or later the denial is going to have to stop” while referencing Evan.

Here, the average SS is 12.0-12.1 without drama. I haven’t seen anything on the Mustang fast list after 5 months. Is it time to admit Ford marketing played you all?

21 out of the 26 stock SS's are between 12.3 and 13.1, it's more honest to say the "normal" for an SS is between would be between 12.3 and 12.7 where 19 out of the 26 runs are.

You're absolutely right that more Camaros have gone faster, bone stock, than the Mustang, but to say that 12.0-12.1 is an average, without drama run is a falsehood.

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

21 out of the 26 stock SS's are between 12.3 and 13.1, it's more honest to say the "normal" for an SS is between would be between 12.3 and 12.7 where 19 out of the 26 runs are.

You're absolutely right that more Camaros have gone faster, bone stock, than the Mustang, but to say that 12.0-12.1 is an average, without drama run is a falsehood.

What fast list are you looking at? The top 20 are under 12.2

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by 13vertss

What fast list are you looking at? The top 20 are under 12.2

Crap, sorry, I was looking at the M6's alone. I didn't realize they had divided the A8's from the M6's.

[whiteboyblues2001]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

the same reasons Motor Trend and Car and Driver cant run 11.9-12.1 in a Camaro. Who claimed the Mustang felt faster than the Camaro?

In Motor Trend's first test, they got a 12.4 @ 114.6 in the manual Camaro, so it's completely believable that folks can dip into the 11's.

In Motor Trend's first test, they got a 12.6 @ 155.1 in the manual Mustang, so it's COMPLETELY UNBELIEVABLE that someone dipped into the 10's with a tire and tune. TEN'S????

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

Those tests are done using standardized atmospheric conditions. Billly Bob Jim Ray running a 10.9 on a tune and tire only is bullshit. Plenty of your boys over M6G are saying how much faster the Mustang feels and blah blah.

Problem is except for these magic runs the Mustang has not actually performed better than a Camaro at anything. Not one single thing. It's slower everywhere. Has been since Sept 2015. If you want to believe the BS that's your right. Just please stop spouting this shit over and over. It's slower. It's heavier. It's going to get even more expensive with the Tariffs on Chinese transmissions...

If you think those magic track times are believable then step up to the plate and buy one.

Car and Driver corrects for sea lvl. Evan went 11's in positive d/a, but that was the ringer...right? Because you dont really want to call Evan a liar and you cant accept that he did go 11.8 stock because if he did...well an 10.99-11.0x isnt out of the realm of possibility for a tune/Cai/drap pack car.

an '18 is of no interest to me...I have no desire to go backward in performance and a two door is not in my future.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

Car and Driver corrects for sea lvl. Evan went 11's in positive d/a, but that was the ringer...right? Because you dont really want to call Evan a liar and you cant accept that he did go 11.8 stock because if he did...well an 10.99-11.0x isnt out of the realm of possibility for a tune/Cai/drap pack car.

an '18 is of no interest to me...I have no desire to go backward in performance and a two door is not in my future.

I have no problem calling him a liar. I don't believe for a second that car didn't have the sway bar removed at the least. I also have no problem calling bullshit that a tune and dragpack on 94 octane will drop a Mustang into the 10s. Whatever it is that those tuner shops are selling I'm not buying it. Sorry. I'm not that ignorant.

[drew peacock]

ok what about the high speed wandering?
what about the hood flutter?
what about the clunky drivetrain?

what about the steering wooble at 60mph?