Z/28- Road Course King

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by a_Username

That's just not true. They could drop more weight... Obviously they were happy with their final product and decided the extra weight wasn't that much of a disadvantage, especially with a 540 HP S/C engine under the hood.

Its not easy to drop weight out of a finalized design....

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

I wasn't talking about a GT500.

But we were Its a on going battle between him and I

[boxmonkeyracing]

it's the battle of the decade. . .it's the battle of weight and FI.

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

it's the battle of the decade. . .it's the battle of weight and FI.

You forgot handling...

Its weight and handling....

[boxmonkeyracing]

Originally Posted by ShnOmac

You forgot handling...

Its weight and handling....

weight is a huge issue. handling comes second nature.

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

weight is a huge issue. handling comes second nature.

I have been in some pretty light cars that handled like a rock when you drove them hard into a corner.... But I get what your sayin

[meanmike]

Originally Posted by a_Username

You're missing the point of me even mentioning the GT500. The point is that you are right, the GT500 is not made to excel in the road course. My point is that the "traditional, road-course" Z/28 that I have described above (smaller displacement, smaller HP, better suspension, brakes, etc.) would not defeat even a GT500 in a road course. In other words, what is the point of building the "traditional" Z/28 when even a car (GT500) that isn't necessarily made for a road course could pull out a win?

Got it.

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by ShnOmac

Its not easy to drop weight out of a finalized design....

Obviously. But you said the GT500 couldn't lose any weight, you didn't say when lol. Most people assumed you were talking about development and pre-production, not after they've already built the car. IMO that's kind of a silly comment.

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by a_Username

Obviously. But you said the GT500 couldn't lose any weight, you didn't say when lol. Most people assumed you were talking about development and pre-production, not after they've already built the car. IMO that's kind of a silly comment.

The whole thing got jumbled up and I think we were all talking about something different...

[a_Username]

Originally Posted by ShnOmac

The whole thing got jumbled up and I think we were all talking about something different...

Speaking of something different... How did the GT-R get so close to the ZR1's lap time? The thing had a 150+hp disadvantage... and it's not like the handling differences where THAT MUCH GREATER. (Honestly IDK which handles better though).

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by a_Username

Speaking of something different... How did the GT-R get so close to the ZR1's lap time? The thing had a 150+hp disadvantage... and it's not like the handling differences where THAT MUCH GREATER. (Honestly IDK which handles better though).

Mainly lower gearing and AWD. The AWD system in that car improves its handling abilities compared to most RWD cars. Its not just about the skidpad. These are the 'known' explanations, however there is a good deal of speculative stuff that could have also played a role. The GTR's engine is probably underated, it may have had better track conditions, the tires may not have been stock, different manufactures count laps differently (location of starting vs finish line, standing vs rolling start, etc) and I'm sure I missed a few. Regardless, the Viper ACR beat both of them.

Anyhoo ...

Z/28 - Road Course King

[BeermanSS]

how about not worrying about old 70's trans-am specs and look at koni challenge specs or rolex grand am specs or hell maybe even American Le Mans specs? Plus I still think Paul Gentilozzi is trying to resurrect the Trans-am series as a opening act if you would to the American Le Mans series isnt he? GM should build a car we can buy and take it to an event and run it.

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by BeermanSS

I still think Paul Gentilozzi is trying to resurrect the Trans-am series as a opening act if you would to the American Le Mans series isnt he?

Hmmmm that could be very interesting..... Im gonna have to research that.

[BeermanSS]

I know he started the Jaguar GT2 team late this year, I don't know if he gave up on Trans-am or if this is part of a bigger commitment. They should develop it like the Koni Challenge series opens for the Grand Am.