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Dallas90 · 07-24-2013, 02:58 PM

Last month I posted that I was considering selling the Camaro, largely because handling/ride wasn't working for me. (too vague on roll-in, not enough grip, flat spotting for the first few miles on the Pirellis) and I hate Hill start assist.
I decided to try a few things and if I couldn't get it to where I wanted it, goodbye Camaro hello BMW.
Well, I added the strut tower brace (which seemed to help at higher speeds/loads) but the game changer was getting different tires. I went with stock sizes but traded in the p-nothings for Goodyear Eagle GT's. The flat spotting problem is no more, I have a slightly smoother (less choppy) ride, the traction control no longer pops up on the HUD when I try to feather in throttle on a turn, the roll-in is about 20% more precise and it's a 4 season tire so hopefully I won't have the drastic performance drop off that the raviolis had. (have to wait until Winter around here to see about that.) All in all it is so much more fun to live with that I'm amazed Chevy didn't put these on the car to start with.
I still want more precision on the roll in, so Pfadt sway bars, Pedders rear bushing inserts and changed suspension settings are all still on the table, but she is so much more fun to drive now.
Now, if Chevy would release the procedure for killing HSA like the guys with Mustangs, Challengers, Jeeps, etc. can.......

vroomapunk · 07-24-2013, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dallas90

Last month I posted that I was considering selling the Camaro, largely because handling/ride wasn't working for me. (too vague on roll-in, not enough grip, flat spotting for the first few miles on the Pirellis) and I hate Hill start assist.
I decided to try a few things and if I couldn't get it to where I wanted it, goodbye Camaro hello BMW.
Well, I added the strut tower brace (which seemed to help at higher speeds/loads) but the game changer was getting different tires. I went with stock sizes but traded in the p-nothings for Goodyear Eagle GT's. The flat spotting problem is no more, I have a slightly smoother (less choppy) ride, the traction control no longer pops up on the HUD when I try to feather in throttle on a turn, the roll-in is about 20% more precise and it's a 4 season tire so hopefully I won't have the drastic performance drop off that the raviolis had. (have to wait until Winter around here to see about that.) All in all it is so much more fun to live with that I'm amazed Chevy didn't put these on the car to start with.
I still want more precision on the roll in, so Pfadt sway bars, Pedders rear bushing inserts and changed suspension settings are all still on the table, but she is so much more fun to drive now.
Now, if Chevy would release the procedure for killing HSA like the guys with Mustangs, Challengers, Jeeps, etc. can.......

Everyone finds something wrong with these cars, and usually there is a fix, especially one that can be found on Camaro5! Glad you were able to start enjoying the 5th gen!

LSXaddict · 07-24-2013, 04:43 PM

I think Ozzy might have accidentally found the fix for HSA. Not 100% on it yet. Go to Page 4 of the thread.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...=277596&page=4

2012-1822 · 07-24-2013, 04:56 PM

I'm really glad you made this decision. Think of this way, in five years you will have an American classic, as all Camaros, ok some Camaros are, but if you had traded for a BMW, then in five years you have a used piece of crap. I don't mean all BMW's are pieces of crap, but cars like that when the are used, are just used cars, nothing special about them.

On a side note, I think anyone with similar complaints that wants to stick with a Camaro might do themselves the favor, and I know it's more money, but look at the 1LE snd ZL1, lot of car there.

Dallas90 · 08-23-2013, 11:46 PM

Now fully back in love, I no longer hate the first few (flat spotted miles). The car is as smooth as glass after sitting for 3 days. The improved grip and roll in make me smile. Still looking at doing the sways, but it's no longer a do or die type of item.

snaphappy · 08-24-2013, 12:18 AM

You sound like a more advanced driver than a lot of folks around here. You'd probably do really well with the 1LE. I wish my life was more exciting, but my driving consists of stoplights and straight highways and the SS is pretty good in those areas

RolltideSS · 08-24-2013, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by snaphappy

You sound like a more advanced driver than a lot of folks around here. You'd probably do really well with the 1LE. I wish my life was more exciting, but my driving consists of stoplights and straight highways and the SS is pretty good in those areas

Especially when it has no roof

R Kern · 08-24-2013, 06:15 AM

Quite a few times, on many of my vehicles, I've found that a new set of tires cures lots of problems. Especially if they are an older set.
I'm definitely going to research the next set that goes on my Camaro.

ChrisBlair · 08-24-2013, 06:20 AM

Wow, I never get flat spotting. That's a term I used to hear in reference to old-time fibreglas belted tires. I'm surprised.

But I'm not surprised you like the Goodyears.

christianchevell · 08-24-2013, 08:10 AM

He refers to the soft rubber forming a flat spot when the car is parked and having to work it out when first driving.

TSW · 08-24-2013, 08:16 AM

Wow, I had the opposite experience switching to Eagle GT-2s on my Mustang from P zero's. Eagles were noticeably noisier and I found the thumped for the first mile or two each morning. Weird. They were nice grippy tires though.

1sicss · 08-24-2013, 08:22 AM

we always refer to goodyears as good for a year, wait a year then chime back in

SSGUNNER · 08-24-2013, 08:39 AM

Im due for new tires in a couple thousand more. Considering those tires too OP.

kevinw · 08-24-2013, 09:58 AM

i am looking at new camaros, and that is why i dont want RS package. i am looking at 2lt coupe and verts for daily driver, here in midwest. the dealers i talk to wont swich out the new pirellis on 20 inch rims for all seasons. and i aint going to spend 30K plus for a car and in 2 months have to spend another 1000 to get tires i can drive on in late Fall. is frusstrating that Gm is in bed with Pirelli and wont give you any flexibility when bying a new car

07-24-2013, 02:58 PM	#1
Dallas90 Drives: Victory Red 2013 SS/RS Dual Mode Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Dallas Posts: 65	Falling back in love Last month I posted that I was considering selling the Camaro, largely because handling/ride wasn't working for me. (too vague on roll-in, not enough grip, flat spotting for the first few miles on the Pirellis) and I hate Hill start assist. I decided to try a few things and if I couldn't get it to where I wanted it, goodbye Camaro hello BMW. Well, I added the strut tower brace (which seemed to help at higher speeds/loads) but the game changer was getting different tires. I went with stock sizes but traded in the p-nothings for Goodyear Eagle GT's. The flat spotting problem is no more, I have a slightly smoother (less choppy) ride, the traction control no longer pops up on the HUD when I try to feather in throttle on a turn, the roll-in is about 20% more precise and it's a 4 season tire so hopefully I won't have the drastic performance drop off that the raviolis had. (have to wait until Winter around here to see about that.) All in all it is so much more fun to live with that I'm amazed Chevy didn't put these on the car to start with. I still want more precision on the roll in, so Pfadt sway bars, Pedders rear bushing inserts and changed suspension settings are all still on the table, but she is so much more fun to drive now. Now, if Chevy would release the procedure for killing HSA like the guys with Mustangs, Challengers, Jeeps, etc. can.......

07-24-2013, 04:43 PM	#3
LSXaddict Drives: 1ss in Blue Ray Metallic Join Date: May 2013 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 384	I think Ozzy might have accidentally found the fix for HSA. Not 100% on it yet. Go to Page 4 of the thread. http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...=277596&page=4 __________________ 2013 1SS M6 with Flowmaster Pro 10 axle back and CAGS shift skip eliminator

07-24-2013, 04:56 PM	#4
2012-1822 Drives: Black ZL1 Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: City of Champions, Alabama Posts: 3,698	I'm really glad you made this decision. Think of this way, in five years you will have an American classic, as all Camaros, ok some Camaros are, but if you had traded for a BMW, then in five years you have a used piece of crap. I don't mean all BMW's are pieces of crap, but cars like that when the are used, are just used cars, nothing special about them. On a side note, I think anyone with similar complaints that wants to stick with a Camaro might do themselves the favor, and I know it's more money, but look at the 1LE snd ZL1, lot of car there. __________________ Check out Alabama Camaros, for Camaro enthusiasts all around Alabama https://www.facebook.com/groups/1739...group_activity

08-24-2013, 06:15 AM	#8
R Kern NFRNO SS Drives: 2010 IOM SS/RS M6 Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: New Holland, Pa. Posts: 650 View My Garage	Quite a few times, on many of my vehicles, I've found that a new set of tires cures lots of problems. Especially if they are an older set. I'm definitely going to research the next set that goes on my Camaro. __________________

08-24-2013, 06:20 AM	#9
ChrisBlair Buick 455 Fan Drives: 1970 Buick, 2012 1SS LS3 Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Boston MA Posts: 5,957	Wow, I never get flat spotting. That's a term I used to hear in reference to old-time fibreglas belted tires. I'm surprised. But I'm not surprised you like the Goodyears. __________________

08-23-2013, 11:46 PM	#5
Dallas90 Drives: Victory Red 2013 SS/RS Dual Mode Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Dallas Posts: 65	Now fully back in love, I no longer hate the first few (flat spotted miles). The car is as smooth as glass after sitting for 3 days. The improved grip and roll in make me smile. Still looking at doing the sways, but it's no longer a do or die type of item.

08-24-2013, 12:18 AM	#6
snaphappy Drives: 2011 Camaro Convertible SS2/RS LS3 Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Olive Branch, Ms Posts: 742	You sound like a more advanced driver than a lot of folks around here. You'd probably do really well with the 1LE. I wish my life was more exciting, but my driving consists of stoplights and straight highways and the SS is pretty good in those areas

08-24-2013, 08:10 AM	#10
christianchevell old school chevy rodder Drives: 2013 2SS/RS Manual,DM exhaust,CRT Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Oregon Posts: 5,587 View My Garage	He refers to the soft rubber forming a flat spot when the car is parked and having to work it out when first driving. __________________ 2021 Wild Cherry ZL1 A10, Sunroof, Data, Carbon, Nav, RotoFab Dry CAI, Elite x2, Borla ATK, Driveshaft shop

08-24-2013, 08:16 AM	#11
TSW Drives: 2013 Camaro 1LT Coup Join Date: May 2013 Location: Muskoka Ont. Canada Posts: 57	Wow, I had the opposite experience switching to Eagle GT-2s on my Mustang from P zero's. Eagles were noticeably noisier and I found the thumped for the first mile or two each morning. Weird. They were nice grippy tires though.

08-24-2013, 08:22 AM	#12
1sicss Drives: 2011 camaro 2ss/rs Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: stone's throw from lake erie in ohio Posts: 203 View My Garage	we always refer to goodyears as good for a year, wait a year then chime back in __________________

08-24-2013, 08:39 AM	#13
SSGUNNER Chu no guat a hasa is? Drives: 14 Jeep G Cherokee Overland HEMI Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Some where in So Cal Posts: 4,273	Im due for new tires in a couple thousand more. Considering those tires too OP. __________________ 11 2SS/RSL99No Longer Stock (Sold) 6/19/14:AAC Plasma DRL's \| Plug n play harness \| Elite CC \| Tint: 35% & 5% \| LED Dome light \| Show-N-Go Plate Holder \| Flowmaster AT \| C.A.I. Intake \| VMAX CNC Spiral Ported TB \| Husky Splash Guards

08-24-2013, 09:58 AM	#14
kevinw Drives: 2013 Black 2 LT vert Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: kansas city Posts: 1,765	i am looking at new camaros, and that is why i dont want RS package. i am looking at 2lt coupe and verts for daily driver, here in midwest. the dealers i talk to wont swich out the new pirellis on 20 inch rims for all seasons. and i aint going to spend 30K plus for a car and in 2 months have to spend another 1000 to get tires i can drive on in late Fall. is frusstrating that Gm is in bed with Pirelli and wont give you any flexibility when bying a new car