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however, and I put this out as a cautionary warning to all of you, I strongly recommend NOT using launch control. yes its a cool feature to have, as is traction control and stability control. but if you are going to the track or are going to pound on the car, turn off stability control and traction control. granted torque management will still be there, but dont use launch control. reason being is this: wheel hop is a bitch and a half. using launch control holds the rpms of the car at a certain point with your foot to the floor. the engine is constantly opening and closing the throttle, pulling and giving timing and fuel to hold the car at that point. torque management, tc and sc do the same thing once you are moving. what happens when you are constantly adding power, then taking it away then adding then taking? when your wheels grab, then slip, then grab, then slip....? wheel hop. if you are going to race this car, or drive "spiritedly" turn off all that stuff. it is there to assist you when your wheels lose traction, or you lose control of the car due to unpreventable circumstances. keeping those systems active while trying to push the car is counter active. you are trying to push the car, the car is trying to keep you from pushing it.
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absurd as it may sound, its the only way that YOU can be sure. GM said this car would run 13.3 stock in the 1/4 mile.... but yet we've got stock cars going faster than that. I cant tell you if your car is affected or not. I'm telling you the only guaranteed way to find out is to go try and break it. because if the vin range of affected vehicles comes out to be skewed, or another bad batch made its way in, the only way of finding out is by having the shaft break. you arent asking for too much wanting the safety of knowing your car will hold up. but if your dealer tries to deny a warranty claim because you were pushing your car, thats complete bs and a completely different situation that needs to be dealt with. the true problem is HOW do you tell if its defective without testing the shaft itself. how does GM test that? ok, there was a specific range where they know that there were bad parts being sent out... but how often to bad parts still slip thru the cracks? just like the A-pillars that were falling off of cars upon delivery... a lot stayed on, but some didnt. Not saying that they shouldnt be a little more open about whats going on. imagine this. say you are GM. and say one shaft in every 1000 broke, and you've sold, say 10,000 of them. so now you have a total of 10 shafts that will break in 10,000. how much financial sense does it make to recall every single one of those 10,000 vehicles to replace 10 bad shafts? or you wait it out until those 10 shafts break on the road, then you replace them as they come. much cheaper and feasable. now, do not take that scenario to heart. that is just pure speculation on what may or may not be happening. I honestly wish I could just say that everything will be all right and no one else will have to deal with this, but I cant. all I can say is to go and have fun with the car. for the time being, if it breaks, it breaks. and thats exactly what your warranty was designed for.
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Had an 88 Cougar I bought new. Had my kids in the car and all the belts came off stranding the car. Ford knew about a bad heat treat on the belt tensioner spring but chose to wait and see which ones failed. Guess what ALL FAILED per my salesman when I had my car towed back there. Boy was I Pi$$ed for not being informed and it was the first time I got stranded in a NEW CAR!
So mad about that and the oil burning I traded it in after 6 months. I previously worked for Walbro and when there was a suspect batch of parts we traveled to the assembly lines and weeded them out, even if it meant crawling on your back in large holding lots under cars to remove the parts. I don't think GM wants Egg on their face on this one if they are to improve their Quality image and win back customers. They should have done an 8D defective part analysis by now with whoever supplied these tail shafts yokes. They should be fully aware of the suspect parts and the vin numbers they were assembled in.
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This thread has been mostly respectful and reasonable. This issue is a simple one.
The M6 output shafts are breaking enough that we have seen at least 20 of them posted here. How many broke where people don't post on the Internet? Real simple. GM has said: We found the problem, and we're not telling you what it was. (Or they don't know.) We're not sure or we're not telling you which units are affected. If your car is affected, we'll call you. Pure bullshit. Of all broken output shaft posts, nobody was notified in any way. We don't like being bullshitted. If Toyota or Nissan made a car I wanted, I'd just go buy one of those. The Camaro is all I want. You're stuck with me. (thorn in side) We don't like it being the laughing stock of import owners at a domestic/import car challenge. 2 Camaros leave on flatbeds. Not good PR. Don't give us crap for asking for way overdue information; Again. Silence is not golden in this case. |
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I'm starting to wonder if this is about launch control and wheel hop alone.
Maybe there's no defective parts to report on. Maybe every M6 Camaro SS will break if you use launch control and/or encounter wheel hop. And then you were abusing the car, so the warranty is void. Boy, this sounds familiar. Is that why there's no inside answers? Patiently waiting for info. Thanks.
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I talked with Al Oppenheiser, GM Chief Engineer (that's him in the pic below my screen name) at SEMA for quite awhile about the half shafts and output shafts. I assure you that GM is not taking this lightly. Al has lost alot of sleep over this issue and it is being taken care of. He loves his Camaro, he has over 30,000 miles on it.
The dealers were told to get the customers taken care of with these issues and get them back on the road in no more than 48 hrs. They are resolving the problem. So get off of their a$$es and quit worrying over something, that the odds are, doesn't effect you. Go and enjoy your car and if it breaks, it will be fixed. Isn't that what we have warantees for. If it doesn't break by the time your 100,000 mile warantee runs out, then rest assured it is good. There isn't a car out there that couldn't break a part, any part, at any time. You can be driving down the highway 30 minutes from now and have someone come across the line and total out your car, but does that make you leave it in the garage? NO. You still go enjoy your car, and make sure your insurance premiums are paid up. So, like the country song says...."Shut up and drive".
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Ok, let's not go off the deep end. I believe everyone has said their peace so let's keep it inline.
We are all on the same page. There is a problem and we want answers. From what I've read here I don't believe I'm in danger driving the car should the output shaft fail. There is no indication I'll lose control of the vehicle when this happens either. It may prove inconvenient if it snaps, but that is the case with any failure. Me personally, I will continue to drive with all the controls on. The car was designed to have those safety features and I will run it as such. In addition, I was out playing with launch control this morning and again no problem despite some minor wheel hop. Maybe my car is not affected ~ maybe it just hasn't happened yet. What I do know is this forum has been the single best source for information on this car and that GM takes our feedback seriously. If my car breaks, my dealer will know and this forum will know. Until then I wait. |
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