Transmission output shaft

[carfansince73]

Originally Posted by LS 1st gen

Thier cost benefit analysis probably factored in the lawsuit from something like the above scenario. What they did NOT factor in is that this is the 21st centory and things like this are no longer easy to control and sweep under the rug. Social media, blogs, forums, etc would have a story like that spread around the auto world in an instant.

As it stands right now, we have to assume GM knows which transmission batches were effected and what cars they ended up in. GM knows is my car if a failure waiting to happen. What they don't know is where that failure will occur or what the outcome will be. They are betting that it will be without a tragic incident. Lets hope they're right.

Being a Camaro and not a Malibu, they are also probably betting that a lot of the broken ones will have mods on them to which they will say the warranty is void. Most will not pursue it any further and just end up paying out of pocket. :( If I do, that broken tranny is coming with me and maybe I'll sell it to a scrap yard or someone who wants to beef up another one.

[Supermans]

Originally Posted by LS 1st gen

Thier cost benefit analysis probably factored in the lawsuit from something like the above scenario. What they did NOT factor in is that this is the 21st century and things like this are no longer easy to control and sweep under the rug. Social media, blogs, forums, etc would have a story like that spread around the auto world in an instant.

As it stands right now, we have to assume GM knows which transmission batches were effected and what cars they ended up in. GM knows if my car if a failure waiting to happen. What they don't know is where that failure will occur or what the outcome will be. They are betting that it will be without a tragic incident. Lets hope they're right.

If GM knows my car which is in the 22,000 range is affected and decide not to let me know, I am going to pissed off if it breaks while I'm out driving (assuming I survive). It will be the last Camaro or GM product I buy..

[TAG UR IT]

Does anyone know if this is JUST the 12,000 to 20,000 range?????? Or, is it ALL of the output shafts on ALL of our cars.

Who knows for fact.

Any GM employees who wish to chime in and let us know?....even through PM to remain anonymous?

Let's shed some light on this and clear up the speculation.

[camaro5]

Originally Posted by UCF w00t

Nothing has been said by GM. The best I can tell is ~12000 through ~25000.

Unless the car is driven slow all the time, I don't see the shaft lasting more than a year, max. Although mine took a little while, it was still within the first few months and 2nd time at the track (7th total run). I had done more hard launches using launch control on empty streets though. I think it took a well prepared track to serve as a catalyst.

It is interesting that it lasts that long.

So a well prepared track provided ultimate adhesion, and she go boom.

Originally Posted by carfansince73

All it's going to take is someone crossing an intersection, a weakened output shaft breaking from prior hard launches using the factory installed launch control, and them getting slammed by a semi truck before GM will actually do a recall. I'm sure their people have run the odds of something bad happening and decided to risk that rather than spending the money they don't have. Money really shouldn't be an issue because they should be sending the bills to Tremec!!!!!!

With my luck, I can almost guarantee mine will break after I get the s/c on, and GM will give me the middle finger when I come in to get it fixed under warranty even though there is a known problem.

Has anyone written to the NHTSA?

Good point.

Yes, how many new owners are being denied warranty due to a known product failure?

And what are they doing for the Z28, so it won't snap the CV joints and Tremec?

Originally Posted by LS 1st gen

Thier cost benefit analysis probably factored in the lawsuit from something like the above scenario. What they did NOT factor in is that this is the 21st century and things like this are no longer easy to control and sweep under the rug. Social media, blogs, forums, etc would have a story like that spread around the auto world in an instant. As it stands right now, we have to assume GM knows which transmission batches were effected and what cars they ended up in. GM knows if my car if a failure waiting to happen. What they don't know is where that failure will occur or what the outcome will be. They are betting that it will be without a tragic incident. Lets hope they're right.

Well said.

We're the bestest spreaders around!

Originally Posted by carfansince73

Being a Camaro and not a Malibu, they are also probably betting that a lot of the broken ones will have mods on them to which they will say the warranty is void. Most will not pursue it any further and just end up paying out of pocket. :( If I do, that broken tranny is coming with me and maybe I'll sell it to a scrap yard or someone who wants to beef up another one.

Some will not buy because of this situation. As it spreads in the media, lots of people will not buy.

[Supermans]

Originally Posted by TAG UR IT

Does anyone know if this is JUST the 12,000 to 20,000 range?????? Or, is it ALL of the output shafts on ALL of our cars.

Who knows for fact.

Any GM employees who wish to chime in and let us know?....even through PM to remain anonymous?

Let's shed some light on this and clear up the speculation.

I've contacted GM asking about this issue and my concerns. Never a call back. Scott Fbodfather stated in a post GM has a vin range of affected vehicles and we would receive a call if ours was defective. Since then there has been numerous shafts breaking apart under different situations. Honestly I have to believe GM is taking Toyota's route and waiting for someone to die before they have to by means of litigation lift a finger and warn us if we have a defective part. However since GM is government owned, perhaps they do not feel the need to worry about litigation anymore... Either way, whatever the methods GM has used to discover what VIN ranges are affected, it is about time all of us owners hear the truth about this issue and whether or not our car is affected.. If GM is thinking they are going to lose tons of money having to replace thousands of faulty parts, then it is worse in my opinion playing with peoples lives... Look how well that worked out with Toyota... If the part is going to fail at some point in time, how can GM be certain it won't give out at 90,000 miles or 110,000 miles under normal (non racing) conditions.. Those having this issue occur while at the track using launch control are pushing their cars.. However the car should handle drag racing and launching without the shaft snapping.. Those driving normal and safe are really the ones who will get shafted ( no pun intended) if the shaft breaks after the warranty expires or worse yet, they get injured or a passenger dies.. GM, get your head straight on this and let us know more about the affected VINs and how we can get our vehicle tested safely if you are unsure and can't be sure until the part breaks..

[TAG UR IT]

^I agree 100%.

[UCF w00t]

Originally Posted by carfansince73

Being a Camaro and not a Malibu, they are also probably betting that a lot of the broken ones will have mods on them to which they will say the warranty is void. Most will not pursue it any further and just end up paying out of pocket. :( If I do, that broken tranny is coming with me and maybe I'll sell it to a scrap yard or someone who wants to beef up another one.

I'm pretty sure when the output shaft breaks the entrails of the transmission gets destroyed. Too much metal moving in a now uncontrolled fashion.

[camaro5]

Originally Posted by Supermans

I've contacted GM asking about this issue and my concerns. Never a call back. Scott Fbodfather stated in a post GM has a vin range of affected vehicles and we would receive a call if ours was defective. Since then there has been numerous shafts breaking apart under different situations. Honestly I have to believe GM is taking Toyota's route and waiting for someone to die before they have to by means of litigation lift a finger and warn us if we have a defective part. However since GM is government owned, perhaps they do not feel the need to worry about litigation anymore... Either way, whatever the methods GM has used to discover what VIN ranges are affected, it is about time all of us owners hear the truth about this issue and whether or not our car is affected.. If GM is thinking they are going to lose tons of money having to replace thousands of faulty parts, then it is worse in my opinion playing with peoples lives... Look how well that worked out with Toyota... If the part is going to fail at some point in time, how can GM be certain it won't give out at 90,000 miles or 110,000 miles under normal (non racing) conditions.. Those having this issue occur while at the track using launch control are pushing their cars.. However the car should handle drag racing and launching without the shaft snapping.. Those driving normal and safe are really the ones who will get shafted ( no pun intended) if the shaft breaks after the warranty expires or worse yet, they get injured or a passenger dies.. GM, get your head straight on this and let us know more about the affected VINs and how we can get our vehicle tested safely if you are unsure and can't be sure until the part breaks..

Originally Posted by TAG UR IT

^I agree 100%.

We post because we care. Your feelings would be appreciated GM. Thanks.

[Proroc]

My Vin is 2G1FT1EW1A9138456

So I guess I am 38456 or 138456 production number?

Heading to the track in the morning....Praying all the way. 550RWHP- M6 with Drag Radials.

[UCF w00t]

Originally Posted by Proroc

My Vin is 2G1FT1EW1A9138456

So I guess I am 38456 or 138456 production number?

Heading to the track in the morning....Praying all the way. 550RWHP- M6 with Drag Radials.

38456. I think you should be fine. But whenever you've upped the power that much and are on drag radials you never really know.

[Proroc]

Yup...I will let you know if it gives up on me....tks

[carfansince73]

Originally Posted by Proroc

Yup...I will let you know if it gives up on me....tks

I tested mine out today hard for the first time, 2 smokey burnouts. No issues.... yet. Burning those tires just to make sure mine tranny won't break sure sux bigtime!


Cool plane! Quite the three exciting rides! I'm hoping to get my private pilot's license one of these years.

[HzMajesty]

This blows... AND i don't have a warranty!!!

No way to be proactive on this one? After market parts that are actually worth a damn to avoid this embarrassment?

[Supermans]

Originally Posted by camaro5

We post because we care. Your feelings would be appreciated GM. Thanks.

Exactly, we post because we care. My vin number is 2G1FS1EWXA9122517

This means I'm Camaro number 22,517.. So far the vins affected are from the 12,000 - 25,000 range according to scattered posts and VIN's posted in this forum. I think a simple "Sticky" asking all forum members who have had this issue and had their car towed and fixed at the dealer put in their VIN numbers, we could get to the bottom of this ourselves. Even though it would be easier for GM to supply this information as it would be more accurate and complete. So I ask any mod reading this if they think this is a good idea to sticky a thread with affected VIN ranges..

Another idea I have is for those worried about this issue and their VIn number falls within the range (once we figure it out) Then someone from GM can send a private message letting them know they know for certain their car is not affected. I've phoned GM and still have not gotten a call back. So I figure this might give some insight to GM how many forum members are worried about this issue and would like to be contacted about it. Safety for all of us should be Gm's number one concern here. Just like the battery cable that needed to be re-routed, this should be something we all should have peace of mind on who bought and paid for a new Camaro and are still under warranty.

VIn's mentioned in this thread alone with this issue. I'm not sure if UFC Woot's was affected but the rest specifically stated they were.

hiller72 VIN #2G1FT1EW4A9116614
RRcamaro vin# 16531
hiller72 #17711
orangeinfernoman 114461
RoyalKev 2G1FT1EW1A9114402
AnOlaHic vin# 14368
nuptualnemesis Vin 13782
3 SS's 10k range
UCF w00t 18934

jayson71 said his was replaced however it did not break. He just complained of some noise that was occuring in a certain gear and would go away under heavy load. This is the first case where it was fixed without it having to be break first.

#PIP4666A: Vehicle will not move in any gear: