08-27-2010, 09:54 PM | #9185 | |
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08-27-2010, 10:19 PM | #9186 | ||
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I identify myself as both a Camaro and a Mustang enthusiast because I am. My criticism of the Camaro is purely because I care about it and want it to improve so that we all can benefit from those improvements later. When I write my review of the Camaro I drove for a year, it may sound like a bash fest and I will be called names, however I hope Fbodfather and Hylton as well as some others will read it and get an honest take on the car just as Number 3 did when they beta tested the pre-production for as long as they did. Since I am not brand loyal, I am able to enjoy the best that any car company can offer and defend its position in comparisons to whatever car company that competes in its class. The M3 may not be in the same class, but it is a great comparison nonetheless for handling and speed. That is why I am a muscle car fan.. I feel sorry for people who get all worked up about brand loyalty etc. So lets all take a deep breath and continue on this never ending discussion.
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08-28-2010, 01:34 PM | #9187 | |
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The Camaro should handle FAR better then the 2011 Mustang. Yes the Mustang has a heavily reworked SRA, but it's still a SRA. In the automotive industry no one stands still. The 2012 Camaro as most think will be GM's turn again...but Ford will probably fire back in 2013. However Ford could also have something planned for the 2012. Both cars are always being improved this is basic knowledge mister gm. |
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08-28-2010, 01:41 PM | #9188 |
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Ford does have something planned for 2012. It is called the Boss.
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08-28-2010, 02:54 PM | #9189 | |
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.1 second difference isnt competitive? any revision whatsoever will make it surpass the 2011 mustang GT. The camaro should handle far better than the mustang GT? so you are saying it should also handle far better than an M3 for less than half the price? Just because the camaro has IRS doesnt mean it should automatically outhandle/turn better times than the mustang. Yes IRS is better but in this case not good enough to overcome nearly 300 pounds when the two cars are almost identical in strait line performance. I really dont undertand the point you are trying to make when the camaro has superb handling for a 38-3900 lb car in this price range. You either dont think the mustang or M3 is very good and/or you dont realize what you are saying... |
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08-28-2010, 02:59 PM | #9190 | |
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Doesnt really matter in regards to the heated debate of Camaro SS vs Mustang GT. Anything too far above SS or GT price range will be food for the base corvette. If the Boss is anywhere near ~45k it will just be compared to the corvette...as it should be. |
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08-28-2010, 03:04 PM | #9191 |
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We will have to wait for official pricing of the Boss.
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08-28-2010, 03:39 PM | #9193 | |
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Torsen Differential -- Front Brake Ducts -- Well Built Engine -- Ordinary Suspension -- Side Exhaust Noise Loud Pipe -- Floating 1968 Style Rear Caliper -- It is a well executed Mustang and one any owner should be rightfully proud of. However, the Saleen and Camaro we tested two weeks ago would eat it alive on a road course and a driver's race at the strip. |
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08-28-2010, 03:48 PM | #9194 | |
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The Boss will slot in-between the GT and GT500, that gives us a very good idea of the price. dealer will provably slap a 20k "market adjustment fee" or whatever they call it, so ill say 40k |
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08-28-2010, 03:52 PM | #9195 | |
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the Boss has 5 point adjustable suspension, how is that ordinary?. wait weren't those car's you tested modified from stock? |
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08-28-2010, 03:57 PM | #9196 | |
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Both the Camaro and Mustang are 'modified' in the sense that ALL Saleens, Roushes and Shelbies (?) are modified. |
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08-28-2010, 04:11 PM | #9197 |
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I just found the Ford press release.
Suspension and steering In keeping with the Boss mandate to provide the best-handling Mustang ever, the already strong Mustang GT suspension system has been further refined. Higher-rate coil springs on all four corners, stiffer suspension bushings and a larger-diameter rear stabilizer bar all contribute to the road racing mission, and Boss models are lowered by 11 millimeters at the front and 1 millimeter at the rear versus the Mustang GT. The real key to handling, though, is in the adjustable shocks and struts, standard on all Boss Mustang models. “We’ve given drivers five settings for their shocks,” says Brent Clark, supervisor of the Mustang vehicle dynamics team. “One is the softest, two is the factory setting and five is the firmest, and we’ve provided a wide range of adjustment. A customer can drive to the track on setting two, crank it up to five for improved response on the track, then dial down to one for a more relaxed ride home. What’s unique is that drivers will find – thanks to the way the suspension works as a complete system – the softest setting isn’t too loose and the firmest setting isn’t too controlled; each step just provides additional levels of control.” Also unique is the method of shock adjustment. Ditching the weight and complexity of electronic wizardry, the Mustang team opted for traditional race-style hands-on adjustability – similar to the Gabriel shocks available on the original Boss 302. “The shock adjustment is right at the top of the shock tower, built into the rod and easily accessible from under the hood or inside the trunk,” says Clark. “You just take a small flat-head screwdriver, turn the adjustment screw between one and five, and head back out onto the track.” I will try to find out of this is a single bound or single rebound or fixed ratio adjustment. If some one else knows, please post up. That said, for a road course car I still consider this ordinary. The Saleen ships with coilovers and camber plates making the Boss suspension or Shelby for that matter ordinary. |
08-28-2010, 04:21 PM | #9198 |
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Yup.... that's right, compare apples with apples. The question is are we comparing type of car to the same type or going for $ value? Both are valid comparisons. Just because the Boss has a back seat, does that mean we compare it to the SS? Welllllllll....... not really. If the price is in that $60K range, sounds like this will be a fight for the Z (if we ever see it).
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