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Old 01-09-2015, 05:31 PM   #29
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For it just being a mule, it looks like they spent a bit of time making the Ute front sheet metal line up nicely with the vette cabin... Must be trying to burn up a bunch of Holden metal that's going to be useless once it shuts down?

This is a very interesting development.
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Old 01-10-2015, 11:39 AM   #30
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I think that's actually a VE Ute front fascia. So that's been lying around for ages now.
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Old 01-10-2015, 01:25 PM   #31
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SMH. If they do this, it may be a performance upgrade or whatever to the rear engine fans. I'm not so sure I like it personally. But this isn't their first go-round with rear-engine cars. As long as they don't do THIS:

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SMH. If they do this, it may be a performance upgrade or whatever to the rear engine fans. I'm not so sure I like it personally. But this isn't their first go-round with rear-engine cars. As long as they don't do THIS:

The Fiero had a lot of potential, GM just did not allow it to mature. The 88's were cool and actually you can bolt a V8 into them super, super easy. Down near Medford (Southern Oregon) there is a Fiero that has a GM crate ZZ383 in it...it runs like scalded dog.
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Speed, the point was that it isn't about performance, it's that other thing...
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Speed, the point was that it isn't about performance, it's that other thing...
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Eh...I didn't catch on the subtext..I just like Fieros...
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Old 01-10-2015, 04:01 PM   #36
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It may end up that way. I've heard GM may have restarted the Ultra V8 program.
I heard the same thing. Now that GM's money woes are behind them, I think we will see the end of pushrod V-8's in cars. Trucks are a different story.
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Old 01-11-2015, 10:27 AM   #37
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Bob Lutz has a great article about the mid engine vette in the latest road and track.
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Old 01-14-2015, 09:19 AM   #38
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Not saying that's a bad rendering but I hope it looks a little more exotic.

This rendering looks awesome. I hope it's sometbing close.
obviously, cant see the front...but that looks like sex to me.
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Bob Lutz has a great article about the mid engine vette in the latest road and track.

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Old 01-18-2015, 09:19 AM   #40
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Half the Corvette buying community says, where would I put my golf clubs?

I'm still questioning whether or not this would ever happen.
That was always my concern with it. The current Corvette is a wonderful GT. Mrs. Number 3 and I have taken vacations with Corvette convertibles with full luggage and 2 sets of golf clubs (strategic packing was required).

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LOL................no. There is not a rear/mid engine car with a binnacle up front large enough for golf clubs. At least that I've seen. No Porsche can that I know of. But Porsches have room under that hatch into the rear seat. GM may protect that area if they do this.

I know the golf bags GM uses for physical evaluation aren't anything like my carry bag. They are 1950's sized canvas bags. With that evaluation we were able to get 2 sets under the deck lid of an XLR with the top down. Reality was far from that, however.

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The Fiero had a lot of potential, GM just did not allow it to mature. The 88's were cool and actually you can bolt a V8 into them super, super easy. Down near Medford (Southern Oregon) there is a Fiero that has a GM crate ZZ383 in it...it runs like scalded dog.
Sales just tanked on that car. Wasn't that GM didn't let it mature, no one bought them in the end.

A guy who worked on it said that in order to get it approved it had to NOT be a competitor for the Corvette. So it basically got a Chevette (yikes!) front suspension and a Citation front suspension and drivetrain moved to the back and was called a "commuter" car to get approved for production. By the time GM got a good chassis under it the costs had gone up and the target market (read youth) was chased out of the car by escalating insurance rates. And sales plummeted. I think the first year they were well over 100,000 units and by the end it was 25,000.

Another one of those where GM never really gets credit for pushing the envelope. But also an example of how GM did things like the Fiero and couldn't manage to keep them going. Long list of those.
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The other thing that killed the Fiero -

The 1990 Fiero concept absolutely destroyed the 'Vette in every performance metric. Price point and fuel economy, too. It had a high-revving 3.4L DOHC engine (Lumina LTZ engine, basically) with a turbocharged variant available.

This put the nail in the Fiero's coffin.

That being said - I'd buy another Fiero in a heartbeat if I could. Great memories in my 1986 GT.
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I heard the same thing. Now that GM's money woes are behind them, I think we will see the end of pushrod V-8's in cars. Trucks are a different story.
If the Corvette goes mid engine, that may be the case. My understanding is the Corvette dictates pushrod engines to keep the hood low. Moving to a mid engine layout eliminates that need.
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