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Old 04-12-2017, 01:30 PM   #197
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We'll see how much of a "fail" it is when all 3300 are sold within the blink of an eye. On top of that, look at the enormous media coverage this car has had.....hardly a fail.

Anyone who is not a stranger to the drag strip, will understand that it's not like this car is going to be literally banned from all drag racing. That said, all it would take, is adding a cage & a few safety items and you're set for NHRA sanctioned events. If a person can afford the car, they can afford to tailor the remaining bits to suit their needs.
It is a fail if said car can not go to the drag strip and run the number without getting kicked out...turn off the mopar blinders man, I wasn't knocking the cars ability, but to say this car can run 9.65, but if you try to do it you will get booted from the track is pretty lame if you ask me...

Not too sure to many owners are going to cut up their $100,000 cars to put in a cage either...

More marketing fail is how they call it "the fastest production car". It's not even close...fast = speed, top speed of this will be far off many high end cars. From what I read, top speed is lower than the Hellcat. If they were referring to the trap speed, they are wrong there too, as the P1, LaFerrari and 918 all trap higher. Maybe it is the quickest in the 1/4 mile now, that is what they should have said...at least until the new Bugatti Chiron is tested. That is rumored to run low 9's.

Again, cool car, questionable execution.
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Old 04-12-2017, 01:34 PM   #198
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I would like to see manufacturers come out with cars like this. In a perfect world I could buy a Camaro/Mustang/Challenger in any setup I wanted, like drag/road course/street. But then again each would cost way more than just modding it myself.
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Old 04-12-2017, 01:34 PM   #199
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IMHO, FCA should've simply made a swing-out cage standard. It would've appeased the majority of people buying this car and also permitted them to actually use it on a track.
Agreed. But they ran out of R&D money as they used it on the bread and butter cars that make money like the Dart and 200.
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Old 04-12-2017, 01:47 PM   #200
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I was surprised to see the COPO Camaro does 8.5 quarter-mile in the 160s with "only" 580HP. I realize it's not street legal, but still a no compromise purpose built drag car from GM. If you have to drag a box full of tires/tools with you to the track, just load up the car as well
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Old 04-12-2017, 02:11 PM   #201
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I've read a few online articles that claim the Demon will also be a respectable car in the twisties as well. I'm curious if there is any truth to that.
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Old 04-12-2017, 02:29 PM   #202
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Old 04-12-2017, 02:30 PM   #203
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It is a fail if said car can not go to the drag strip and run the number without getting kicked out...turn off the mopar blinders man, I wasn't knocking the cars ability, but to say this car can run 9.65, but if you try to do it you will get booted from the track is pretty lame if you ask me...

Not too sure to many owners are going to cut up their $100,000 cars to put in a cage either...

More marketing fail is how they call it "the fastest production car". It's not even close...fast = speed, top speed of this will be far off many high end cars. From what I read, top speed is lower than the Hellcat. If they were referring to the trap speed, they are wrong there too, as the P1, LaFerrari and 918 all trap higher. Maybe it is the quickest in the 1/4 mile now, that is what they should have said...at least until the new Bugatti Chiron is tested. That is rumored to run low 9's.

Again, cool car, questionable execution.
Nothing about this car is a fail.

It was preceded by two months of hype which set expectations sky high... then somehow surpassed those expectations with numbers that are simply stunning. This car is not only quicker 0-60 and in the 1/4 mile than every production car in the world, but every (as far as I know) sport bike as well! Think about that for a minute.

Not a fail.

No cage is, to me, a plus. For people who aren't going to race it... which, let's be real, is most everybody who buys one... they don't have to deal with it and you can actually carry passengers in the back seat (if you buy one for $1).

If you want to race it you put in a cage because you are a racer and that's what you do.

Not a fail.

Calling it the "fastest" production car is, semantics notwithstanding, marketing genius because 1.) everybody knows what they mean, and in that context 2.) it is.

Far from being a fail, the Demon is an out-and-out home run.
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Old 04-12-2017, 02:39 PM   #204
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IMHO, FCA should've simply made a swing-out cage standard. It would've appeased the majority of people buying this car and also permitted them to actually use it on a track.
No way could FCA put an NHRA cert cage in that car and still meet NHTSA safety standards.

NHRA and NHTSA are two different worlds. A cage would interfere with air bags, HIC, SIC, crash crumple zones....

A cage is designed for someone in a helmet, in a 5/6 pt harness....

The COPO gets an 8.50 cert cage as it doesn't have to meet any of the NHTSA safety standards.

I doubt any vendor, at least ones with wise lawyers, would touch putting a cage in a Demon with a 10 ft pole. Maybe if it's being gutted and turned into a race car, sure, here's an awesome cage. As a street car with all that NHTSA safety crap in there... no way. Someone get's Tboned on the street and cracks their un-helmeted head on a rollcage... their estate now owns that company.
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Old 04-12-2017, 02:50 PM   #205
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It is a fail if said car can not go to the drag strip and run the number without getting kicked out...turn off the mopar blinders man, I wasn't knocking the cars ability, but to say this car can run 9.65, but if you try to do it you will get booted from the track is pretty lame if you ask me...

Not too sure to many owners are going to cut up their $100,000 cars to put in a cage either...

More marketing fail is how they call it "the fastest production car". It's not even close...fast = speed, top speed of this will be far off many high end cars. From what I read, top speed is lower than the Hellcat. If they were referring to the trap speed, they are wrong there too, as the P1, LaFerrari and 918 all trap higher. Maybe it is the quickest in the 1/4 mile now, that is what they should have said...at least until the new Bugatti Chiron is tested. That is rumored to run low 9's.

Again, cool car, questionable execution.
Um, doesn't NHRA require a 4 or 5 point roll bar to even run 11's? Just because you have to install a cage or roll bar to be compliant at an NHRA track does NOT make the car a fail.

Actually, it's pretty badass that you DO have to put a cage in it from the factory to run 9's at an NHRA track. What street legal GM cars have ever come with cages AND that could run 9's right off the showroom floor?

And, they were talking fastest production car at the STRIP, not overall.
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Old 04-12-2017, 02:58 PM   #206
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Stock, rear wheel drive car, killing 4wd cars like the Nissan GT-R, Porsche Turbo S....

Audi dudes will be weeping and knashing their teeth I'm sure on their forums coming week lol.
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Old 04-12-2017, 03:06 PM   #207
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Stock, rear wheel drive car, killing 4wd cars like the Nissan GT-R, Porsche Turbo S....

Audi dudes will be weeping and knashing their teeth I'm sure on their forums coming week lol.
Until winter hits, and it starts snowing again...
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Old 04-12-2017, 03:09 PM   #208
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Until winter hits, and it starts snowing again...
Nah...moot point imho.

If Sledge were 4wd, I'd still never take it out. I(as many others) have a 4wd shitbox just for that.
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Old 04-12-2017, 03:10 PM   #209
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Um, doesn't NHRA require a 4 or 5 point roll bar to even run 11's? Just because you have to install a cage or roll bar to be compliant at an NHRA track does NOT make the car a fail.

Actually, it's pretty badass that you DO have to put a cage in it from the factory to run 9's at an NHRA track. What street legal GM cars have ever come with cages AND that could run 9's right off the showroom floor?

And, they were talking fastest production car at the STRIP, not overall.
I think they changed the rule on the 11 second cars if the car was made after a certain date because several high end cars from the factory were capable of 11s
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Old 04-12-2017, 03:16 PM   #210
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I've read a few online articles that claim the Demon will also be a respectable car in the twisties as well. I'm curious if there is any truth to that.
How could that be true, if the Hellcat can't take a corner? This last weekend, I was do demo runs for GM at Barrett-Jackson in the "Fifty", while there were Corvettes from Ron Fellows School, Roush & Shelby Mustangs from Ford and Hellcats & whatever they call the Charger with the Hellcat motor. All the cars could handle the course except the Dodges - they had to try to drift through the corners to get through and were therefore slow as molasses
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