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Moto-Mojo · 04-13-2022, 07:58 AM

Welp, Enviro-Greta is not going to be happy with the increase in ethanol coming to our gasoline. No one will be happy with lower fuel mileage but more importantly...

> Should we be concerned about possible damage to our engines?

> If you're tuned, should you consider altering it to accommodate the new 15% 'summer blend?'

> Is there any validity to these ethanol engine concerns at all?

> Should we invest in corn futures?

SS 310H55A · 04-13-2022, 08:05 AM

I had thought it was only certain states and areas that’ll get 15% ethanol. This won’t be widespread through the US, will it?

Moto-Mojo · 04-13-2022, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by SS 310H55A

I had thought it was only certain states and areas that’ll get 15% ethanol. This won’t be widespread through the US, will it?

It’s my understanding it will be national. But I could be wrong.

“Will it affect the engine
Since the early days, vehicle owners had always been worried if blended petrol will affect their engines. A 5% blend may not affect the engines, but 10% mix could create problems. The increase in the amount of ethanol could result in damage to some plastic, rubber and aluminium components. And this could affect the durability of fuel pipes, injectors and hoses.”

I guess if we experience these problems we can just do what everyone else does, blame Putin!

redcoats1976 · 04-13-2022, 08:13 AM

just more BS from the party in charge.they are going to increase the ethanol content to lower the per gallon price of fuel,which will have two effects.less MPG,which negates the supposed lower cost of fuel,and an increase in the price of other corn products such as food.isnt our current inflation rate bad enough?throw in the unknown effects of an additional 5% ethanol on our vehicles and what it will cost us in repairs later on....is everyone in washington lobotomised or is this just another way to tighten the screws on the working class?

Scotavo · 04-13-2022, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by redcoats1976

...is everyone in washington lobotomised or is this just another way to tighten the screws on the working class?

Both

NOT A 45 · 04-13-2022, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Moto-Mojo

Welp, Enviro-Greta is not going to be happy with the increase in ethanol coming to our gasoline. No one will be happy with lower fuel mileage but more importantly...

> Should we be concerned about possible damage to our engines?

> If you're tuned, should you consider altering it to accommodate the new 15% 'summer blend?'

> Is there any validity to these ethanol engine concerns at all?

> Should we invest in corn futures?

Straight off the latest GM service bulletin 05-00-89-072E dated March 22 2022.

E85 FUELS: Only vehicles designated for use with E85 should use E85 blended fuel. E85 compatibility is designated for vehicles that are certified to run on up to 85% ethanol and 15% gasoline. All other gasoline engines are designed to run on fuel that contains no more than 10% ethanol. Use of fuel containing greater than 10% ethanol in non-E85 designated vehicles can cause driveability issues, service engine soon indicators as well as increased fuel system corrosion.

This president is a idiot! GM, Ford, and Chrysler will most assuredly have something to say about this.

Scotavo · 04-13-2022, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by NOT A 45

This president is a idiot! GM, Ford, and Chrysler will most assuredly have something to say about this.

The President, isn't. This is the policy of the entrenched uni-party. Same as Europe.

Moto-Mojo · 04-13-2022, 09:00 AM

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The President, isn't. This is the policy of the entrenched uni-party. Same as Europe.

You mean that party that Putin was willing to go to war over to avoid being forced into? :O

Scotavo · 04-13-2022, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Moto-Mojo

You mean that party that Putin was willing to go to war over to avoid being forced into? :O

Yes

Scotavo · 04-13-2022, 09:09 AM

The war in Europe:
One side wants Globalism, outsourcing of industry, open borders and unlimited immigration from the Middle East and Africa and the validation of secular values including abortion for birth control for those too incompetent to effectively use contraception.
Russia, the other side, doesn't.

xc_SS/RS · 04-13-2022, 09:36 AM

No the computer will likely be able to compensate for the extra blend

Also, keep in mind there are only 2,300 stations out of 150,000+ in the country that sell E15 fuels. So its not making as large of an impact as they want you to believe it is. Its pathetic

SS 310H55A · 04-13-2022, 09:38 AM

^^yep not every station will be selling the 15% crap

xc_SS/RS · 04-13-2022, 09:44 AM

This whole idea of “my car wont survive 15% ethanol!” is really pathetic. Seals are not rated for xx.xx% of alcohol to my knowledge. They are rated to survive alcohol period.

What do we do to make our cars flex fuel capable? Add a sensor and tell the ecu to use it to read the alcohol % in the fuel. We dont change seals or gaskets or fuel lines….

NOT A 45 · 04-13-2022, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by xc_SS/RS

This whole idea of “my car wont survive 15% ethanol!” is really pathetic. Seals are not rated for xx.xx% of alcohol to my knowledge. They are rated to survive alcohol period.

What do we do to make our cars flex fuel capable? Add a sensor and tell the ecu to use it to read the alcohol % in the fuel. We dont change seals or gaskets or fuel lines….

But you do change the injectors. We already have a high rate of injector problems, I look for this to create more. Bad for the customer, good for me.

04-13-2022, 07:58 AM	#1
Moto-Mojo Fast Cars and Old Guitars Drives: 2015 2SS RS (L99, baby!) Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: N. CA Posts: 3,973	15% Ethanol, Your Camaro, Should We Care? Welp, Enviro-Greta is not going to be happy with the increase in ethanol coming to our gasoline. No one will be happy with lower fuel mileage but more importantly... > Should we be concerned about possible damage to our engines? > If you're tuned, should you consider altering it to accommodate the new 15% 'summer blend?' > Is there any validity to these ethanol engine concerns at all? > Should we invest in corn futures? __________________ “I don’t want to belong to any club that would have me as a member.” - Groucho Marx

04-13-2022, 08:05 AM	#2
SS 310H55A Drives: 2014 Camaro SS Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Southern California Posts: 253	I had thought it was only certain states and areas that’ll get 15% ethanol. This won’t be widespread through the US, will it? __________________ 2014 SS \| MGW Flat Stick shifter \| Raceseng Slammer shift knob \| Z/28 spoiler and grill

04-13-2022, 09:36 AM	#11
xc_SS/RS Drives: 2010 Camaro SS/RS Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: somewhere in MD Posts: 4,883	No the computer will likely be able to compensate for the extra blend Also, keep in mind there are only 2,300 stations out of 150,000+ in the country that sell E15 fuels. So its not making as large of an impact as they want you to believe it is. Its pathetic __________________ 2010 2SS/RS Z/28 intake, NW, FAST 102, speed engineering LT's, some exhaust, ATI -10% pulley, GM flex fuel injectors, DSX flex fuel sensor, MGW shifter, HP Tuners, some suspension work, stickers and a little weight loss. 12.63 @113.53

04-13-2022, 09:38 AM	#12
SS 310H55A Drives: 2014 Camaro SS Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Southern California Posts: 253	^^yep not every station will be selling the 15% crap __________________ 2014 SS \| MGW Flat Stick shifter \| Raceseng Slammer shift knob \| Z/28 spoiler and grill

04-13-2022, 09:44 AM	#13
xc_SS/RS Drives: 2010 Camaro SS/RS Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: somewhere in MD Posts: 4,883	This whole idea of “my car wont survive 15% ethanol!” is really pathetic. Seals are not rated for xx.xx% of alcohol to my knowledge. They are rated to survive alcohol period. What do we do to make our cars flex fuel capable? Add a sensor and tell the ecu to use it to read the alcohol % in the fuel. We dont change seals or gaskets or fuel lines…. __________________ 2010 2SS/RS Z/28 intake, NW, FAST 102, speed engineering LT's, some exhaust, ATI -10% pulley, GM flex fuel injectors, DSX flex fuel sensor, MGW shifter, HP Tuners, some suspension work, stickers and a little weight loss. 12.63 @113.53

04-13-2022, 08:13 AM	#4
redcoats1976 Drives: LT W/2LT,blue metallic Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: central florida Posts: 4,915	just more BS from the party in charge.they are going to increase the ethanol content to lower the per gallon price of fuel,which will have two effects.less MPG,which negates the supposed lower cost of fuel,and an increase in the price of other corn products such as food.isnt our current inflation rate bad enough?throw in the unknown effects of an additional 5% ethanol on our vehicles and what it will cost us in repairs later on....is everyone in washington lobotomised or is this just another way to tighten the screws on the working class?

04-13-2022, 09:09 AM	#10
Scotavo Account Suspended Drives: 2013 Caprice PPV 2014 Caprice PPV Join Date: Mar 2022 Location: Zurich, Switzerland Posts: 195	The war in Europe: One side wants Globalism, outsourcing of industry, open borders and unlimited immigration from the Middle East and Africa and the validation of secular values including abortion for birth control for those too incompetent to effectively use contraception. Russia, the other side, doesn't.