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eLeSthree · 03-18-2021, 06:24 AM

I've been so focused on making as much power as I can, that I blew right past my suspension and traction capabilities and now the car is useless on the street. Which is where I mainly drive it.

I've tried adjusting the BMR drag package (strange DA shocks/anti roll bar) every which way possible, have a 325/50/15 ET R tire and still cant hook in 3rd.

Last week, I had to swallow my pride and install a larger pulley to lower the boost. The tune is fat and I've only seen 13psi so far (working my way up in RPM), but second gear is still not happening.

How much power can you consistently put down on asphalt? and what is your suspension setup?

fz4k98 · 03-18-2021, 08:14 AM

I only have 610 rwhp and have traction issues on the street. The temperature has to be above 70 and tire pressure lower than i want to run on the street to get good traction.

That said there is no "too much power" , the right pedal controls that. Its alwsys better to have reserve than not enough.

CamaroCracka · 03-18-2021, 08:25 AM

I can nail it if I'm running around 40mph; otherwise, I have to roll into the throttle. I run 325/30/20 Michelin Sport Cup 2s.

eLeSthree · 03-18-2021, 08:49 AM

This is about 50% throttle in second and then i roll into it in third, but it quickly comes loose and i let off. About 17psi in tires.

https://youtu.be/nTOkZppxqQI

You cant tell in the vid, but it comes loose so much that you cant recover. Now I have it turned down enough to where its still spinning some but its going straight and you can stay in it.

Ashen 6.2 · 03-18-2021, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by eLeSthree

This is about 50% throttle in second and then i roll into it in third, but it quickly comes loose and i let off. About 17psi in tires.

https://youtu.be/nTOkZppxqQI

You cant tell in the vid, but it comes loose so much that you cant recover. Now I have it turned down enough to where its still spinning some but its going straight and you can stay in it.

Sounds awesome but then yikes!

joshnmn · 03-18-2021, 10:06 AM

Nice problem to have! But, I agree- I think it’s a corner a lot of us build ourselves into. The truth is if more attention would be made to weight, gearing, suspension, etc., there really isn’t a need for anything under the hood. These cars make plenty of power.

CamaroCracka · 03-18-2021, 12:57 PM

That depends on what you want to do. A stock engine won't get you a 10 second 1/4 no matter what you do. I wanted a well rounded car. 1g+ lateral, 10 second quarter, runs pump gas, still has AC and a back seat.

bayarea408 · 03-18-2021, 02:38 PM

what type of rear end and gear are you running out back on the car? maybe something a tad taller is in order on the street for you.

joshnmn · 03-18-2021, 02:55 PM

It’s been done...
https://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=586858

dreksnot · 03-18-2021, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eLeSthree

I've been so focused on making as much power as I can, that I blew right past my suspension and traction capabilities and now the car is useless on the street. Which is where I mainly drive it.

I've tried adjusting the BMR drag package (strange DA shocks/anti roll bar) every which way possible, have a 325/50/15 ET R tire and still cant hook in 3rd.

Last week, I had to swallow my pride and install a larger pulley to lower the boost. The tune is fat and I've only seen 13psi so far (working my way up in RPM), but second gear is still not happening.

How much power can you consistently put down on asphalt? and what is your suspension setup?

Welcome to the club. Let me know when you get this figured out as to how to apply the power up there. Compensating for me, I have a boost-by-gear electronic boost controller for the twins so I can vary that (lower it) to ensure not overpowering the tires/suspension. I've tried moving to 3.25 rear and higher 1-3 transmission gearing to little avail. Just try to keep the front end facing forward.

larry_g · 03-18-2021, 03:57 PM

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FrankT · 03-18-2021, 04:53 PM

Has anyone tried tuning the traction control tables? I added about twenty percent to those and leaving the traction control on. Spins just a little, but doesn't get out of control. This is on my Huron twin turbo manual trans car.

*SSE 4 2SS* · 03-18-2021, 10:31 PM

LMAO.... What is this traction thing you ask about...

To my knowledge there is no such thing on the street..... Coilovers, trailing arms, toe rods, bushings, etc... Nine inch with 3.07’s behind a manual transmission and breaking tires loose in any gear but 6th is as easy as putting her in boost... No clutch dump needed... Can’t do it in 6th as it’s a stock gear and can’t hang... 1-5 are billet...

If I really need traction, anywhere, I dial up the ProEFI traction control and let it do its thing... It keeps the “pointy” end forward most of the time...

Big Biscuits · 03-18-2021, 10:57 PM

I have to roll into 4th. Not enough road for 5th, so I don’t know. It’s a fun problem. Makes me smile

03-18-2021, 06:24 AM	#1
eLeSthree Drives: 2011 Camaro SS 6sp Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Drivers Seat Posts: 1,904	How much is too much for the street? I've been so focused on making as much power as I can, that I blew right past my suspension and traction capabilities and now the car is useless on the street. Which is where I mainly drive it. I've tried adjusting the BMR drag package (strange DA shocks/anti roll bar) every which way possible, have a 325/50/15 ET R tire and still cant hook in 3rd. Last week, I had to swallow my pride and install a larger pulley to lower the boost. The tune is fat and I've only seen 13psi so far (working my way up in RPM), but second gear is still not happening. How much power can you consistently put down on asphalt? and what is your suspension setup? __________________ 2011 Camaro SS---SOLD TMS Dart 427 FED M311s, ESS Tuning G4 Blower, DSX Triple FP Assembly, DSX FF, FIC1300, Mcleod RXT 1200HD, Edlebrock Pro Flo XT 1158whp 1017wtq. 2010 CTS-V A6 - "Stock" SOLD 630whp 658wtq 2024 F-150 RCSB 5.0 4x4 waiting for tunes...

03-18-2021, 08:25 AM	#3
CamaroCracka Drives: 2010 Turbo LS3 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Palm Bay, FL Posts: 2,735	I can nail it if I'm running around 40mph; otherwise, I have to roll into the throttle. I run 325/30/20 Michelin Sport Cup 2s. __________________ 2010 SS - On3 kit with downpipe cutout, CTR 78/80, CompCam 239/251 620/632 122+4, E85, Z28 suspension and ZL1 diff with Outlaw axles. Gen6 ZL1/1LE brakes. 2011 Vert - 416/w 230/236 .612/.602 115lsa, 1LE suspension w/32mm rear bar. Z28 diff. ZL1 brakes.

03-18-2021, 08:49 AM	#4
eLeSthree Drives: 2011 Camaro SS 6sp Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Drivers Seat Posts: 1,904	This is about 50% throttle in second and then i roll into it in third, but it quickly comes loose and i let off. About 17psi in tires. https://youtu.be/nTOkZppxqQI You cant tell in the vid, but it comes loose so much that you cant recover. Now I have it turned down enough to where its still spinning some but its going straight and you can stay in it. __________________ 2011 Camaro SS---SOLD TMS Dart 427 FED M311s, ESS Tuning G4 Blower, DSX Triple FP Assembly, DSX FF, FIC1300, Mcleod RXT 1200HD, Edlebrock Pro Flo XT 1158whp 1017wtq. 2010 CTS-V A6 - "Stock" SOLD 630whp 658wtq 2024 F-150 RCSB 5.0 4x4 waiting for tunes...

03-18-2021, 12:57 PM	#7
CamaroCracka Drives: 2010 Turbo LS3 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Palm Bay, FL Posts: 2,735	That depends on what you want to do. A stock engine won't get you a 10 second 1/4 no matter what you do. I wanted a well rounded car. 1g+ lateral, 10 second quarter, runs pump gas, still has AC and a back seat. __________________ 2010 SS - On3 kit with downpipe cutout, CTR 78/80, CompCam 239/251 620/632 122+4, E85, Z28 suspension and ZL1 diff with Outlaw axles. Gen6 ZL1/1LE brakes. 2011 Vert - 416/w 230/236 .612/.602 115lsa, 1LE suspension w/32mm rear bar. Z28 diff. ZL1 brakes.

03-18-2021, 03:57 PM	#11
larry_g Drives: 2014 1SS/1LE Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 826	Note the license plate... Sent from my Pixel 5 using Tapatalk __________________ 830 WHP 700 WTQ, Whipple 2.9 @ 13lbs Boost, Flex Fuel Tune by Blevins Tuning, LSA SBE, 3.5 GripTec, ATI LS3 Damper, AFR 260cc Mongoose, ARP Studs, Yella Terra Ultralites, Johnson 2110R, BTR PDS Stage 3, Melling 10355, Improved Racing Baffle, ID1050X, DSX Triple Fuel Pump, RotoFab CAI, NW 103mm TB, Stainless Works 1-7/8" LTH to 3" Speed Eng w/ X-pipe to NPP, Powermaster 9509 XS, Detroit Speed Motor Mounts, MGW, Monster LT1-S, ZL1 Calipers, DBA Rotors & Pads, Bilstein B6 Struts & Shocks, BMR 1.25" Drop Springs & Adj Rear Bar, Pegasus Solid Bushings, Z/28 Wheels, other misc parts.

03-18-2021, 08:14 AM	#2
fz4k98 Drives: 2013 1ss Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: WI. Posts: 520	I only have 610 rwhp and have traction issues on the street. The temperature has to be above 70 and tire pressure lower than i want to run on the street to get good traction. That said there is no "too much power" , the right pedal controls that. Its alwsys better to have reserve than not enough.

03-18-2021, 10:06 AM	#6
joshnmn 2&THEHIT Drives: 5th Gen Camaro; 5th Gen Ram 3500 Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Garner, NC Posts: 1,012 View My Garage	Nice problem to have! But, I agree- I think it’s a corner a lot of us build ourselves into. The truth is if more attention would be made to weight, gearing, suspension, etc., there really isn’t a need for anything under the hood. These cars make plenty of power.

03-18-2021, 02:38 PM	#8
bayarea408 Drives: T Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: CA Posts: 803	what type of rear end and gear are you running out back on the car? maybe something a tad taller is in order on the street for you.

03-18-2021, 02:55 PM	#9
joshnmn 2&THEHIT Drives: 5th Gen Camaro; 5th Gen Ram 3500 Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Garner, NC Posts: 1,012 View My Garage	It’s been done... https://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=586858

03-18-2021, 04:53 PM	#12
FrankT 400HP used to be enough.. Drives: 2010 2SS rs manual Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Central NC Posts: 772	Has anyone tried tuning the traction control tables? I added about twenty percent to those and leaving the traction control on. Spins just a little, but doesn't get out of control. This is on my Huron twin turbo manual trans car. __________________ Build thread: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47925

03-18-2021, 10:31 PM	#13
SSE 4 2SS Boosted Moderator Drives: Bone Stock LS3 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Marion Tx Posts: 15,492	LMAO.... What is this traction thing you ask about... To my knowledge there is no such thing on the street..... Coilovers, trailing arms, toe rods, bushings, etc... Nine inch with 3.07’s behind a manual transmission and breaking tires loose in any gear but 6th is as easy as putting her in boost... No clutch dump needed... Can’t do it in 6th as it’s a stock gear and can’t hang... 1-5 are billet... If I really need traction, anywhere, I dial up the ProEFI traction control and let it do its thing... It keeps the “pointy” end forward most of the time... __________________ If the car feels like it is on rails, you are probably driving too slow. -Ross Bentley Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall. Torque is how far you take the wall with you. “If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough.” Mario Andretti If you can turn, you ain't going fast enough...

03-18-2021, 10:57 PM	#14
Big Biscuits Drives: 2010 1SS LS3 Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Waxahachie, TX Posts: 276	I have to roll into 4th. Not enough road for 5th, so I don’t know. It’s a fun problem. Makes me smile __________________ 2010 CGM 1SS 408/4L80E/ZL1 ESS G4