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Aww, cr*p, you're right. I need more coffee. Or sleep, who knows
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The biggest issue with the GT500 will be consistency. That much is obvious from the quarter mile times we have been seeing. On one end there are kids who claim to have never been on a track before but managed to wrangle a 760 HP car to a 10.6. On the other hand there are plenty of experienced journalists who were in the mid 11s. That is almost an entire second difference. Ford claims 10.7 with a note that it requires a prepped track. So off a track it will likely struggle against most cars that have less power. I think we'll see similar mid 11s with other mag tests. Maybe an 11.2 or 11 flat. But it seems that the name of the game these days will be balance and control over dumping HP on an already overwhelmed setup. The fact that when magazines test these cars the ZL1 is always right there hanging with them despite the huge power gap tells the story about getting the power to the ground effectively and efficiently. Sure, Hellcats and Redeyes and GT500s might be faster on the track where the conditions favor them. But in every other situation the conditions will not be to their advantage.
Adding to this, I'd like to see how the CF GT500 would do against a GTR considering the price of both. |
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Hey Blaq,
Have you seen the new MT H2H? ZL1 vs. Hellcat WB. Here's the link: |
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12-14-2019, 05:54 PM | #5172 |
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I'll take the Hellcat every time
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Thanks for posting. I have not seen this one. It was a good vehicle. And I can vouch for them on most of their statements about both cars. |
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Wanted to add the lt2 as probably the best stock horsepower per liter ohv engine, just a fraction under 80 hp/l. Also it's not fair to mention when compared to these mass produced engines from Ford (the voodoo not so mass produced) and Chevy but the Ferrari 6.5 dohc makes a whopping 121 hp/l and the Lambo 6.5 118 hp/l.
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Lots of people love to compare peak HP numbers, but ignore power under the curve. When GM was replacing the LT1s in the 90's, they had a DOHC engine and the LS. They did a blindfold test with exec's, and the decision was unanimous - LS got the nod because of the way it drove...more torque and more "pull". This couldn't more clear than comparing anything by GM to the Voodoo. Lots of great reviews on the Voodoo sound and HP in the high RPM range. Also lots of complaints about lack of power down low and how drivability suffers, including launching from a stop. Edit: Agreed that HP/L is the one of the stupidest arguments made...how many races did your HP/L advantage win?
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BlaqWhole Why are you so caught up on what a car can do on a unprepped surface. I like to play on the street just as much as anyone. But in 25 years of driving I can count on one hand how many stop light runs I've had 0-60 or so on. Highway rolls are where 99% of racing on the street happens.
Drag strip 1/4 times and mph is what we should compare too. With that you have to compare DA. You keep bringing up las vegas times for GT500. Those times were run in 3000 plus DA. The cars were never turned off and the drivers only had 2 runs with a set launch rpm that ford set of 1200 rpm. The GT 500 is a 10.6 car as of right now, the first car delivered ran that with 1000 miles on the clock. I'm sure the time will get lower. The ZL1 is 10.9 car, very impressive for the way it handles and hp it has. The C8 will likely be a high 10 sec car on the drag strip. Which is damn impressive. One thing to remember as the cars of today get faster and faster. Going from a 10.9 to 10.6 takes more power than 11.9 to 11.6. S Last edited by bradmo9; 12-16-2019 at 08:46 AM. Reason: spell |
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