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Old 07-23-2015, 02:15 PM   #29
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I'd bet money that GM has and can detect a tune, but could you please provide a link to a thread where someone flashed their car back to stock and then had their warranty denied due to the flash counter not matching up? These cars have been out for a long time, it seems like it would have happened more than once by now.
Here is a link to a thread discussing a C7 corvette owner that claimed to have had their engine replaced under warranty later on after uninstalling a Diablosport tune. Granted this is not a LS3, however, FWIW.

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Old 07-23-2015, 04:07 PM   #30
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Why is it that no one buys a second computer and swaps the computer out when you go in?
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Old 07-23-2015, 04:43 PM   #31
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Why is it that no one buys a second computer and swaps the computer out when you go in?
Other networked modules on the car count the ECM flashes also.

Bottom line is this age-old argument is unwinnable. If the dealer suspects wrongdoing in a powertrain warranty scenario, they will turn the car inside-out and will find what they need to suggest warranty denial to the corporate offices, and corporate will support it. I used to be a dealer service manager and we did it all the time.

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Old 08-06-2015, 08:00 AM   #32
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That doesn't really answer the question, I've personally met people who have been denied warranty work due to their car "being abused."

A lot of guys keep bringing up the flash count as being an issue, but I've yet to read about a single case of someone having an issue with their flash count not matching up, as though the dealers keep a running record of the amount of times that your car has been hooked up to their computer. Does anyone have a link to a single case where that happened, or are people just being paranoid about something that has never actually happened?

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I can't find anyone denied based on flash count either. How about making that a sticky challenge.

I challenge anyone to prove they were denied warranty service based on flash count!
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I absolutely know it's been done on another brand- but so far not on a GM yet.
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Old 08-06-2015, 09:40 AM   #34
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Other networked modules on the car count the ECM flashes also.

Bottom line is this age-old argument is unwinnable. If the dealer suspects wrongdoing in a powertrain warranty scenario, they will turn the car inside-out and will find what they need to suggest warranty denial to the corporate offices, and corporate will support it. I used to be a dealer service manager and we did it all the time.

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Unless a mod actually caused an issue I think it would be bad business to deny a warranty claim.
There has to be a limit before a tune could/would create a situation that would create damage. Most vehicles have left something on the table due to EPA & mpg concerns.
Those wanting a stealth tune or a way to flash back to stock, are you admitting you are crossing the line with that flashed tune that may cause damage and want to avoid taking responsibility. They are after all providing a warranty that should their stock product fail they will fix it at their cost.
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Old 08-06-2015, 03:08 PM   #35
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Nobody has ever "proved" stealth tunes are untraceable. You can claim it all you want, but I challenge anyone to send their stealth tuned info to GM and dare them to check it.

If you prove you tuned it, and GM verifies it's still "stock", then let the evidence speak for itself. If they don't look for it, then maybe. But if you dare them to look for it, I'd be interested in the outcome.

Until then, I don't care what ANYONE says that they can't detect an aftermarket tune. It's pure BS.

Unless, of course, the Diablo doesn't actually tune the car...
What really counts is nobody has been denied a warranty based on flash count. If you can prove someone has, "I'd be interested in the outcome."
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Those wanting a stealth tune or a way to flash back to stock, are you admitting you are crossing the line with that flashed tune that may cause damage and want to avoid taking responsibility. They are after all providing a warranty that should their stock product fail they will fix it at their cost.
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If I get a car with a smoked engine because it was run lean and the flash count reveals a tune, you will have a problem. Luckily, most people aren't idiots when it comes to driving the car with an issue. Personally, I wouldn't try to get someone else to pay for something *I* broke, but this world has become a place where people are always wanting something for nothing.
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If I get a car with a smoked engine because it was run lean and the flash count reveals a tune, you will have a problem. Luckily, most people aren't idiots when it comes to driving the car with an issue. Personally, I wouldn't try to get someone else to pay for something *I* broke, but this world has become a place where people are always wanting something for nothing.
Yes many have been conditioned to think a corporation like GM is a person and they live in a world where everyone is looking for a handout. And there's even a news network that reinforces those beliefs. But that's a good thing. Helps the middle class feel self-righteous while they're being bent over.
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I absolutely know it's been done on another brand- but so far not on a GM yet.
Know what's done? Please quote what you're commenting on.
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Old 08-06-2015, 06:55 PM   #40
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Other networked modules on the car count the ECM flashes also.

Bottom line is this age-old argument is unwinnable. If the dealer suspects wrongdoing in a powertrain warranty scenario, they will turn the car inside-out and will find what they need to suggest warranty denial to the corporate offices, and corporate will support it. I used to be a dealer service manager and we did it all the time.

Never mod anything you can't afford to push over a cliff. /End argument.
The dealer is an independent business. They've told me that many times. Why would they want to deny a warranty claim? Isn't it Chevy/GM who would send out an inspector or at least have to authorize the repair be the one who would dig ask they dig deeper? Why would the dealer want to initiate something that would surely cause them to lose a customer and possibly result in a lawsuit?
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How can a dealer end up in a lawsuit over a car with a tune and warranty being denied? Won't happen. GM provides warranty, not a dealer. If there's ANY doubt warranty will pay, YOU will. If a tune (which we will see) provides doubt, we can send the car out the door. Not saying I would, but I can, and you'd have to take it somewhere else. I've taken in cars that other dealers did this to.
Nearly everyone IS looking to blame someone else when they break their car- I deal with those people every day. I'm supposed to believe that the center console latch broke in 3 pieces due to a defect, or that the seat side trim is broken off entirely by itself and has nothing to do with the 430lb driver. Don't forget the bent wheel with curb rash at 20K miles that is "obviously defective." Every. Damn. Day.
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How can a dealer end up in a lawsuit over a car with a tune and warranty being denied? Won't happen. GM provides warranty, not a dealer. If there's ANY doubt warranty will pay, YOU will. If a tune (which we will see) provides doubt, we can send the car out the door. Not saying I would, but I can, and you'd have to take it somewhere else. I've taken in cars that other dealers did this to.
Nearly everyone IS looking to blame someone else when they break their car- I deal with those people every day. I'm supposed to believe that the center console latch broke in 3 pieces due to a defect, or that the seat side trim is broken off entirely by itself and has nothing to do with the 430lb driver. Don't forget the bent wheel with curb rash at 20K miles that is "obviously defective." Every. Damn. Day.
I can see how you've become jaded dealing with that every day. But tuning a chip to stop it from switching a hundred times a day to 4 cylinders is something else entirely. It's most likely prolonging the life of the engine. If GM is denying warranties based on that they're using it as an excuse to rip off their customers.
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